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March 19, 2019 1:00 pm  

Hmm

I am not sure what to think yet.... what are your thoughts? There is no mention of cost and what is involved yet, sounds like there would be a subscription cost ....?


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March 19, 2019 9:40 pm  

I'll follow my own little antitrust policies and vote NO regardless of the quality and price of the service.

Besides any political considerations I'm not sure that makes much sense for the environment either. For latency the servers will probably have to be clustered by region so with no "longitude-based" sharing efficiency. Also the hardware will likely have to be constantly maintained to play AAA games at maximum settings. Compared to a situation where many gamers make do with their aging rig that's even more GPUs going to landfills in Africa 🙁
And of course there's the infrastructure cost for providing the necessary bandwidth...

Just my two cents ^^


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March 20, 2019 2:33 am  

While the idea is nice, I don't think the infrastructure will allow most people to use this, sadly. In a couple of years, maybe.


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March 20, 2019 6:03 am  

Oh I definitely agree about bandwidth and hardware that would be needed to accomplish this. What ever year google would have to replace thousands or millions of top tier gfx cards.... haha that would be so expensive. Yeah google could sell the older cards to gamers and they would buy them up at a discount.

For instance I go to the philippines 1-2x a year and the bandwidth there on a good day in Manila is 10mbps. This whole country wouldn't be able to use this technology unless major infrastructure changes happen... and there is over 121 Million people there.

I don't think even the USA infrastructure could support this personally. I live in upstate NH and I have a decent connection over 100mbps, but when you have several people in the house maybe gaming or watching netflix that would affect your experience in my opinion.

I will be watching this closely this year for more info and reviews on how this actually runs.


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March 20, 2019 9:17 am  

A little anecdote: I'm using a chromecast to stream Netflix to my TV. Last year Google fumbled with something somewhere and for about one day like lots of users I just could not connect to the device. Objectively not a big deal for sure... However it was not a failed firmware update but rather apparently some live remote problem at Google. In other words while in my naive mind the service I wanted to use was relying on my ISP and Netflix, I became aware that Google was somehow involved too. And I was not so happy about it...

Also I'm probably getting too old 😉 but this everything-in-the-cloud doctrine makes me feel more and more uncomfortably dependent on an increasingly complex remote infrastructure. The situation reminds me of the "Hyperion" novels (Dan Simmons). In this universe the whole civilization is based on the "farcaster network": portals which enable instantaneous travel (physical and data streams) between any two locations. The technology is so advanced that the chic is to live in homes with rooms physically placed on different planets.
And one day the network collapses... ^^


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March 20, 2019 10:18 am  

Did read that they had a successful test of the system before Christmas using the latest Assassins Creed game. Also recall that some one tried this about a decade ago but the internet infrastructure was not good enough, pretty sure D1 had a thread about it some where on the forum.

Also I can't see the other big game publishers or console makers letting Google grad the biggest market share as Valve did with Steam and Apple did with music, so we could end up with 4 or 5 competing networks.


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March 20, 2019 10:43 am  

I been looking around into Stadia here is some facts and some thoughts I have:

  1. It will not cost us a thing, will probably be a plugin to our chrome browser or an app on our TV/Phone/Tablet.
  2. You would need to have a minimum of a 20-30mbps connection (my guess you would need to have a good home network setup as well)
  3. Google will have a store, to probably buy games from.... will they allow this service to hook into Steam and services like that don't know?
  4. With all this Epic and Steam drama, now you are adding Google which probably has the biggest pockets on the planet and could buy any dev to exclusively put their game on their service....
  5. Companies are trying to remove ownership of games in my opinion.... the majority of PC game sales are digital its only a matter of time before a company can just remove access to a game that you bought
  6. Offline play impossible with your game?

You are right D.C. in your worries, even though I love seeing new tech. I always know there is going to be a cost to that tech and we aren't just talking about money here. I mean when you think about it on a grand scale, Google will own all of the content we do online for the most part. They would be the largest single monopoly out there. Think about what control they would have over society/governments....?

I guess in the end we were always just Lemmings 😉


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March 21, 2019 11:34 pm  

Yes Pinback you're certainly right about the likely competition. Provided it's a fair one this should alleviate part of the danger. However I agree with D1 about the global push to shift from a "product" to a "service" business model, and game streaming just looks like the next step in the way. Pretty nice for the industry to have "captive" customers and the associated regular revenue (hello Amazon Prime) but for us I'm not sure if the benefits are worth the collar. Especially if in the long run we end up completely relinquishing our computing power at home, and so are left with no alternative to streaming.

Anyway IMHO from the technical standpoint the whole concept is pretty flawed: in effect it's the equivalent of having a monitor cable a few hundreds of kms long! And as a matter of fact that's the one with the largest data rate around the PC!


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March 23, 2019 9:37 am  

Have seen a figure of $30 a month being quoted, pulse a lot of people will have to upgrade their internet, which will add to the cost. They might even go for a daily rate, who knows what sort pricing structure they will come up with.

I think this the way the games industries wants to go as D.C.Elingto said, they want a "captive customers". Pretty sure we going to see the games industries and games media trotting out the same 3 advantages that they always say, when we have a format change.

1 less piracy.
2 more choice.
3 cheaper games.


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March 25, 2019 7:40 am  

Is 'Less Piracy' even an issue any more? I just bought Watch Dogs 2 this weekend when it was on sale for $15, it came out last year and that Gold version was $99. Prices drop so fast and quick on these games there is really no reason to pirate them anymore.... plus with some many of these games having those anti-cheat tools or need to connect to a server it almost makes pirating not worth the effort or risk any more.

But I definitely agree with 2,3.


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March 25, 2019 12:02 pm  

I dislike the 'subscription model' idea, wherever it rears its ugly head.

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March 26, 2019 9:17 am  

Think we will end up paying a lot more for games when they go to streaming model in the next few years.

I would guess piracy still going, streaming may knock it out or may just change to some sort of hacking.


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June 16, 2019 1:14 am  

Google announced their basic price of a tenner a month and they also have said user will be able to buy into a publisher library for an added cost. so far only Ubisoft has announced a price for their back catalogue, which will be another $15 on top of the google price.

Looks like this is going to get very costly very fast and I don't feel like paying 200/300 a years for a bunch of games I will never play.


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June 16, 2019 11:20 pm  

IMO such services would make much more sense if software licenses were valid for all available distribution platforms: own one, use one whatever the source. Not the case by far 🙁


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June 18, 2019 7:37 am  

Agreed and that would be a good idea to pay once and have your game available across all platforms. Because Microsoft is also doing a subscription service as well, just not with Stadia.

But these monthly costs could get hugely expensive, maybe with publishers doing this more.... in a way its like trying to destroy third party distributors like Steam/Epic/GOG etc.... cause if they after flat monthly rates and give people access to all games then that may be a worth it depending on the costs.

But this will suck to buy a game and you can only play it on stadia and not on anything else you might have.... but I guess their way around it is that you can use stadia on multiple devices.


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August 28, 2019 9:39 am  

Good vid here from Metal Jesus about why he is not going to be using it.


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August 28, 2019 5:15 pm  

Yeah this is going to flop hard I think. There is really no need for it personally, consoles are pretty cheap and the ability to move my gaming experience to different medias (tv, tablet, pc, phone) is really not a huge selling point for me I could care less about that feature.

If games cannot be redeemed on console or pc if stadia dies in two years and google shuts down the servers you loose your library that is just wrong.

If your a real gamer stay far away from this.


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November 18, 2019 11:39 am  

This goes live tomorrow.... will be interested to see the reviews over the next few weeks. Here is the official support game launch titles:

  1. Stadia's Day One Titles include:
  2. Assassin's Creed Odyssey
  3. Attack on Titan: Final Battle 2
  4. Destiny 2: The Collection (available in Stadia Pro)
  5. Farming Simulator 2019
  6. Football Manager 2020
  7. Grid 2019
  8. Gylt
  9. Just Dance 2020
  10. Kine
  11. Metro Exodus
  12. Mortal Kombat 11
  13. NBA 2K20
  14. Rage 2
  15. Rise of the Tomb Raider
  16. Red Dead Redemption 2
  17. Samurai Shodown (available in Stadia Pro)
  18. Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  19. Thumper
  20. Tomb Raider 2013
  21. Trials Rising
  22. Wolfenstein: Youngblood

Destiny 2 and Mortal Kombat are really the only solid action games in this list that would really need bandwidth to be successfully played. Hmm, the majority of the other titles are single player with some MP option.

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November 29, 2019 3:33 pm  

Reaction to this seems to be anything from the worst thing ever to it works as long as you have a fast internet connection and no one else is using it. Most of the complaints I have seen are about overheating dongle, overpriced and limited section of games, lack of launch features and having to use a phone app to log in or change settings. Even read that Google is not happy with the take up of device, which is bad news for the long term as Google has a reputation for abandoning devices which don't sell well.  


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