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DarkOne
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September 10, 2009 04:53  

I just read the other day that we hope to be on the moon again in like 20-30yrs from now. The moon landing was 40yrs ago and we have done nothing or been back since. Yeah we put a telescope in space that has been worth the cost in my mind and we have the ISS up there. But other than that we as a world have done nothing.

I believe space exploration should be a world effort, because it will benefit everyone. Other nations are trying to get up into space and knowing there is a few countries that know how to do it, but we all stand by and do nothing to give them a hand. I know there are reasons behind it, because who knows what is really in those rockets that go into space? I know space will eventually be the next thing us humans will fight over.

Always had the dream of going into space and hope that I will be able to make that dream come true before I take the long dirt nap.

Why do you think it is taking so long to get back to the moon? Was there something discovered that the public doesn't know about that is preventing us from going back?


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September 10, 2009 11:20  

I guess there might be a thousand reasons ... but personally I think that current economy model does not allow the spending that were made 40 years ago. Also, there is no more the competition it was back in the cold war ... so without a specific goal to beat Soviet Union to the moon everything will go more slowly. Who knows ... maybe China will be a real challenge in a few years (I think China is at the moment the only economy that can channel a great amount of resources for a single goal).

Of course we know a lot more about space (and with this knowledge we've found out about the dangers of space too 😉 ... so more care will be taken before sending astronauts out there). And also I think this time the trip will not be just for exploration, but for longer stays and for resources gathering and so, the requirements are much more complicated than 40 years ago.


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September 11, 2009 15:11  

I could see that, but there is a need for further exploration of resources on other planets. Just like on Earth where nations tried to get to the North Pole or Antarctica first to claim it for their nation, space will be the same way.

Personally this shouldn't be a government run venture any more, they should let companies throw there hats in and go for it and of course let them profit from it because they are spending the money and taking the risks.

There has to be some companies out there doing research on space flight and wanting to get people up there soon.


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September 11, 2009 23:20  
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Personally this shouldn't be a government run venture any more, they should let companies throw there hats in and go for it and of course let them profit from it because they are spending the money and taking the risks.

Is letting for-profit entities, such as corporations, really the best idea for the future of space exploration? Should we re-name it to Space Exploitation? Corporations only see things in monetary terms - look at the damage wrought upon this one single planet's ecosystem - often deliberately - for financial gain....and you're saying this is a better idea than letting Nation States loose out there?

Still, the point is taken about the greed and corruption within nation states as well. Perhaps the best we could hope for presently is a coalition of Nations, guided by some kind of ethical, humanistic charter. That way they could keep an eye on each other. With the right individuals in place within this organisation, people of genuine moral and ethical character, only then would I be happy to see humans venture out into space. Space is too precious for us to damage it as we have done to our home world. If no further exploration took place until we've grown up enough to understand how to use it properly then I'd be perfectly happy with that.

In short, we as a species have a lot of growing up to do.


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September 13, 2009 11:32  

Maybe this way we'll preserve our world 🙂


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DarkOne
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September 14, 2009 19:56  
Stardreamer wrote:
Still, the point is taken about the greed and corruption within nation states as well. Perhaps the best we could hope for presently is a coalition of Nations, guided by some kind of ethical, humanistic charter. That way they could keep an eye on each other. With the right individuals in place within this organisation, people of genuine moral and ethical character, only then would I be happy to see humans venture out into space. Space is too precious for us to damage it as we have done to our home world. If no further exploration took place until we've grown up enough to understand how to use it properly then I'd be perfectly happy with that.

With all the regulations/fines put on companies doing things like mining or oil production it is actually very eco friendly. Unfortunately Stardreamer I don't think the united space agency could ever work, look at NATO that's a joke. The jealousy and mistrust of new discoveries and technologies would cause a lot of friction.

I think a plausible solution would have civilian companies make the spacecraft for NASA and test it and pilot the astronauts to their destination. Forgoing all the red tape the government puts up. No offense to anyone that has a relative that has died on a shuttle mission. But space flight is one of the most dangerous jobs you can have and accidents and failures do happen. I don't think it warrants grounding all missions for a year or more because of an accident.

There is plenty on people that would give almost anything to do a job like that, risks and all. I truly would like to see a united space effort from the largest countries, but I don't think that will ever happen unless there was a Earth ending event coming towards us.

c0mas wrote:
Maybe this way we'll preserve our world 🙂

Hehe yeah c0mas if we have everyone in space looking for things/new life we'll give Mother Earth a break from humans for a while.


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September 17, 2009 10:52  
Darkone wrote:
I could see that, but there is a need for further exploration of resources on other planets. Just like on Earth where nations tried to get to the North Pole or Antarctica first to claim it for their nation, space will be the same way.

Personally this shouldn't be a government run venture any more, they should let companies throw there hats in and go for it and of course let them profit from it because they are spending the money and taking the risks.

There has to be some companies out there doing research on space flight and wanting to get people up there soon.

The 'problem' is the fact that most nations with space programs, including the USA have signed several UN treaties on space exploration, part of these agreements is the fact that no nation can lay claim to interstellar bodies etc, the moon, Mars, any place in space, is property of all of mankind, rather than any individual group.

Of course this will naturally change as our society moves more and more towards corporatocracies and further and further away from democracies.


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DarkOne
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September 23, 2009 10:58  

I doubt that treaty would last long if some country discovered something that would change history or can advance their society in some way.

The moon would be the perfect staging area for exploration further into our galaxy. Wonder if i will actually live to see a person put their foot on Mars? The way the international community is dragging their feet it will take forever if NASA has to float the whole cost.


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September 24, 2009 04:59  

There might be a boost in"moon exploration" because they just found some water on it. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090923-moon-water-discovery.html


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February 9, 2013 17:40  

Money drives everything, and there's just no money in space exploration right now.*

*There has been a company that's planning on catching, then mining asteroids, but I'm unable to recall the name of them.


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February 11, 2013 23:19  

Elon Musk, the guy behind Tesla Motors, creator of PayPal has his company "Space X"'s rockets being used by NASA now. They want to have private industry build it. It's a bit like "ARGUS" integrating commercially available technology.

 

But personally I think they are taking it so slow because they don't want to let everyone get the technology. Then we could escape.A more rapid development pace would make space travel more practical for the public.

 

They want to have a good head start on us at least. Around the time the space shuttle Columbia fell apart in they sky in my neck of the woods, the Air Force managed to start a then-secret program to build unmanned drone space shuttles. A few years ago it came out that it had been going on since 2003, and they had just tested two of them. They can carry about a ton and a half. They want to explore space but they don't seem to want us to go for some reason.


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