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  • #102972
    AvatarVuzz
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    Hi , its seem logical

     

    I can easily see that a 1MW pulse laser against a Planet express with a 200tons of hull ( witch have probably some unit of energy  shields) is really utopic.

     

    to resume : its like you shoot a heavy tank with a pistol.

     

    Did you have equip the radar mapper to see the data of your target ? with this equipement you can see if you shoots are absorbed by the energy shields. 

     

    The assassination missions in Genesia are the chalenge , mosts target are eavily shielded and jump directly when they are attacked

     

    In many case it’s neccessary to have an hypercloud  analyser to continue the hunt.



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    #102973
    AvatarThunderchild
    Participant

    Thanks, so get loaded for Bear before you start trying them then, 4mw or even bigger?

    #102974
    AvatarPotsmoke66
    Participant

    vuzz, a question, it has nothing to do with genesia,

     

    but it seems you use inverted colors for the appearance of SSC? (some bright background color, e.g. grey?)

     

    you know usually it comes along on a rather dark blue, if you use a color like this, it get’s hard to read for most i guess.

     

    first i thought you like to hide certain text, but it seems it’s more occasionally?

     

    i know, i do have to care not to use very bright colors since i like green or red, i know it will get hard to read prob. if someone uses a bright background.

     

    also you have to keep in mind that some screens reproduce the colors quite different, i.e. the colors on the macbook differ moch from the luminiscence of my HP monitor.

     

    actually i can see your darker set letters, but on my moms macbook the vanish completely, it’s a little old one ane the screen has lost a lot of luminiscence (on the other hand the HP monitor is even old).

     

     

    apart from this, certain things/ideas are surprisingly good in genesia, bravo! (i would like the lime, but someone argued once he can hardly read it, since then i choose a darker green)

     

    (see, know i have time to read all the things i missed before, since i don’t have to think i only have a few days time to stay online.

    i neither have to port data on a stick between the machines, or any other obstacle which the former situation has invoked).

     

    something more technical,

    i noticed that you use (i guess i wrote you this once?) newer shader scripts as what was used up to release alpha28?

    now there is a problem with these shaders, i haven’t found out what exactly it is.

    BUT

    on my moms macbook pioneer (genesia i can’t run at all on the macbook, resp. only if i use a osx compiled executable, which didn’t supports genesia fully) gots nearly unplayable the framerate sucks completely since alpha31 i guess, some 5 fps, before it was running at least above 15 fps.

    even on my 64bit machine at home i have a noteworthy reduction of performance since then.

     

    now there is no use to tell the pioneer developers about such, they will only answer that my machine is outdated, such has happened more then once (a irritating reply i guess).

    such is mean, instead to care that everybody is happy with the performance they only guess each has 1000’s of bucks spare to buy a new machine just to play pioneer.

     

    personally i use the alpha28 shader scripts, they work ok with the macbook and super on my machine at home, leaves enough power to capture the game (make a clip) with 30 fps.

     

    i didn’t feel my machine is really old, 2 years overall since it was a yesteryears, lowered in price and the gfx card i use is also about 2years old, but i guess a

    G-Force GT440 isn’t really a bad one.

     

    i guess i’m not the only one here with a paperfoil thin wallet (sometimes i’m such broke i have to live by a handful of rice and tea, it would be a healing experience for some i guess)

    now, if some of the devs. of pioneer are “richie richs” i can’t tell, but it seems like.

    at least they care a shit about ppl who argue about performance problems (“go buy a better computer”, does a user have to hear something like that?

    if i would be a nube it would have been the last time i was interested in pioneer if somene tells me something like this).

     

    besides, not even commercial games of today respect only the newest and most expensive stuff on the market, it’s a question of business, if i like to sell my game.

    i know if such happens they can fed up a whole community of gamers with such a behave.

     

    but it seems to some is this not of interest, they only care about themself (“go, buy a better machine” :elf: )

     

    besides, if you already took care about that, then you can forget this plea.

     

    [hr]

     

    @thunderchild, “…Flash Gordon looking ship”, green one? then it’s Planet Express, ha, ha, i “ripped” that one from SketchUp.

    else there is a “real” Flash Gordon Ship, my “Bloodrunner”, somethng i like much, personally i would like a complete retro styled game.

     

    if if it’s only to show: “see it’s first a GAME, second it’s FICTION, the purpose of sci-fi is to me not as much as it should show what future will bring technically,

    it should show where our society goes, that’s the real purpose of sci-fi, this counts not for all, but for good ones like Vernes “Cpt. Nemo”, Roddenberry’s StarTrek,

    or Luas’s StarWars. even real bad authors like Hubbart used sci-fi for this purpose (while hmmm… if i think about what i wrote above, some must be fans of Hubbart,

    “i’m Rich and i’m a different class, i have different rights because i’m rich”. you can have such as a credo in life, i know well).

    but the good ones have a idea about a society of equality between classes, races and cultures.

     

    liberté, égalité, fraternité

    some use sci-fi to hammer this in the minds of humans

     

    some others see only the fame and the gold in it (how lame).

     

    besides one thing i can grant you, humans will never make themself into space with this society of two classes (resp. three, a lower, a middle an a upper, where the lower tends to reach the middle class and the middle tends to reach the upper class, it’s fucking Hubbarts idea of a society and it will lead only to total destruction).

    and if then i hope there are some aliens who will teach us this, even if they have to use a plasma accelerator to do so.

     

    hmmm… that “sparksova” looks quite different.

    #102975
    AvatarThunderchild
    Participant

    I was thinking of the ancient 30s RKO Flash Gordon, They used to be shown on a saturday morning when i was a little un, way way back

    #102976
    AvatarTEC
    Participant

    I downloaded this mod and tried to run it but I have a problem. When I first tried to open the .exe it told me that MSVCR110.dll was missing. I found the missing dll and put it in my win/system 32 folder, and also downloaded the new Visual C++ as recommended. The program gave the same error when I tried to start it, so I placed the dll directly into the Genesia folder. Now when I try to run the .exe I get the following error “The application could not be started properly (0xc000007b).

     

    I have tried unzipping the game folder again, but the problem persists. Does anyone know how I can fix this problem?

     

    Pioneer works fine on my computer, I’m running Win 7 SP1 64bit.

    #102977
    AvatarVuzz
    Participant

    @ TEC

     

    Genesia is compiled under MSVC 2012 ,

     

    I’m not a technician of MV C++ but my wife have  the same system like you , so i’ll can try on his computer soon.

     

    MSVCR110.dll  must be put in the main folder of genesia ( where there is the Genesia.exec)

     

    I’m under windows 8 and that’s work fine …

     

    To be continued …

    #102978
    AvatarVuzz
    Participant

    Ok , ive try to run Genesia on the computer of my wife (MS windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1)

     

    and that work perfectly , so ….

     

    Beware  , Genesia is NOT a mod of pionner , you must not put this  one in any Mod folder , 

     

    Just extract that excactly like you install Pionner ( it’s a total mod , a sort of second game)

    #102979
    AvatarTEC
    Participant

    Thanks for the reply. I originally unzipped Genesia into its own foler. I tried your solution, but I still have the same problem. Pioneer and Scout+ work fine.

    #102980
    AvatarVuzz
    Participant

    maybe you need some MSVC library …

     

    let’s me see that today , i’m busy this morning but , i’ll try to give you my list of lib.

    #102981
    AvatarVuzz
    Participant

    @TEC

     

    Have you this one installed on your computer ? : 

     

      –      Microsoft Visual C++ 2012 Redistributable (x64)   11.0.50727

     

      –      Microsoft Visual C++ 2012 Redistributable (x86)   11.0.61030 

     

     

    Here is the link to the Download :  http://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=30679

    #102982
    AvatarPotsmoke66
    Participant

    salu mon frére,

     

    i have a slightly altered modelviewer for you,

     

    changes which i made to the “original”,

     

    – shows now both “fuel scoop” (slider pos 0.3) and/or “cargo scoop” (slider pos 0.6), because prob. some ships have either the one or other mounted.

     

    – “Radar Mapper” on slider no.9 instead of “Atmospheric Shielding” which has never reflected by a model so far, but we still have a few sliders left…

     

    – both options “ECM Basic” (slider pos 0.3) and “ECM Advanced” (slider pos 0.6), prob they haven’t the same model neither the same position.

     

    – both options, resp, changed laser to “Pulsar 1MW” (slider pos. 0.3) to show the genuine size/scale of the gun model if it has different scales for the different power of them

       and of course shows now “Dual Pulsar 1MW” (slider pos 0.6), needed because hey how can i make proof of it if i can’t see it?

       maybe i add some large as well, in this way you can check if the largest gun you can mount is scaled properly (like i said, before i used the numbers).

       but a slider ranges from 0 to 0.99 and this leaves space enough for all sizes, even if it gets tackling then to “hit” the right position,

       still one could enter then “0.3” or whatever will reflect the desired laser.

     

     

    [attachment=2724:modelviewer.zip]

     

     

      “it get’s even rid of the dirt you actually can’t see – and how do you know it’s gone when you can’t see it?”

     

     

     

     

    to do:

    request ship flight state

    because i like to see how a possible animation depending on the flight state works.

     

    i guess since the enumerator stuff has changed you can’t anymore show a specific state/model by entering the number into the slider fields.

    because of that i needed something which showed me at least the “ECM basic” and the “Radar Mapper”.

     

    even in petto,

    slider for “Hyperspace Cloud Analyzer” this can be reflected by a model and in fact what is now or since long “ECM advanced” was planned as “Hyper Cloud Analyzer”

    not sure if i can request this in the model, if not (i guess not), a slight change to the engines source would be needed.

     

     

    “if you sit a lot, you need touchy couchy, made of space age polymeres, machine washable and dries in minutes, touchy couchy.”

     

     

    a script to generate “legal shipnames” you find in the “retrospective to alpha8” thread.

     

    some associated new functions as well

     

    and if you like this edit:

     


    local quote
    local rand = Engine.rand:Integer(1,#quotes)
    quote = quotes[rand]

    local menu =
    ui:Grid(1, { 0.2, 0.6, 0.2 })
    :SetRow(0, {
    ui:Grid({ 0.1, 0.8, 0.1 }, 1)
    :SetCell(1, 0,
    ui:Align("LEFT",
    ui:Label("Pioneer"):SetFont("HEADING_XLARGE")
    )
    )
    })
    :SetRow(1, {
    ui:Grid(2,1)
    :SetColumn(1, {
    ui:Align("MIDDLE",
    ui:VBox(10):PackEnd(buttonSet):SetFont("HEADING_NORMAL")
    )
    } )
    })
    :SetRow(2, {
    ui:Grid({ 0.0, 0.9, 0.2, 0.1 }, 1)
    :SetCell(1, 0,
    ui:Align("MIDDLE",
    ui:Label(quote):SetFont("HEADING_XSMALL")
    )
    )
    :SetCell(2, 0,
    ui:Align("RIGHT",
    ui:Label("("..Engine.version..")"):SetFont("HEADING_XSMALL")
    )
    )
    })

     

    could read (and generate a table) this from a text file, but i’m a lousy programmer (“lousy hacker”? it exists as well)

    it’s recently in a lua file as a table

     


    quotes = {
    "Ill play with it first and tell you what it is later. MILES DAVIS",
    "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. HASSAN I SABBAH",
    "Dont let your mouth write no check that your tail cant cash. BO DIDDLEY",
    "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. NIELS BOHR",
    "Just because everything is different doesnt mean anything has changed. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ORACLE",
    "The most merciful thing in the world ... is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H P LOVECRAFT",
    "Take what you can use and let the rest go by. KEN KESEY",
    "Its not the size of the ship, its the size of the waves. LITTLE RICHARD",
    "I never loved another person the way I loved myself. MAE WEST",
    "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. SIGMUND FREUD",
    "When choosing between two evils I always like to take the one I've never tried before. MAE WEST",
    "Honest Officer, had I known my health stood in jeprody I would never had lit one.",
    "It is a rather pleasent experience to be alone in a bank at night. WILLIE SUTTON",
    "Never invest your money in anything that eats or needs painting. BILLY ROSE",
    "The rich will do anything for the poor but get off their backs. KARL MARX",
    "If Karl, instead of writing a lot about capital, had made a lot of it ... it would have been much better. KARL MARX'S MOTHER",
    "When I sell liquor, its called bootlegging; when my patrons serve it on Lake Shore Drive, its called hospitality. AL CAPONE",
    "Anything anybody can say about America is true. EMMETT GROGAN",
    "Tip the world over on its side and everything loose will land in Los Angeles. FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT",
    "If you've seen one city slum, you've seen them all. SPIRO AGNEW",
    "If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all. RONALD REAGAN",
    "Use it up ... Wear it out. Make it do ... Or do without. US WORLD WAR II MESSAGE",
    "You cant underestimate the power of fear. TRICIA NIXON",
    "The whole earth is in jail and we're plotting this incredible jailbreak. WAVY GRAVY",
    "The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. BUCKMINSTER FULLER",
    "Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DWIGHT D EISENHOWER",
    "You smash it - and Ill build around it. JOHN LENNON",
    "College isnt the place to go for ideas. HELLEN KELLER",
    "Politicians should read science fiction, not westerns and detective stories. ARTHUR C CLARKE",
    "America, how can a write a holy litany in your silly mood? ALLEN GINSBERG",
    "It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I have to beat somebody. RICHARD M NIXON",
    "Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearence of magic. ARTHUR C CLARKE",
    "Justice is incedental to law and order. J EDGAR HOOVER",
    "Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. GROUCHO MARX",
    "The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away with it. ABBIE HOFFMAN",
    "Stay out of the road, if you want to grow old. PINK FLOYD",
    "Here I am, fifty-eight, and I still dont know what I want to be when I grow up. PETER DRUCKER",
    "How can you be two places at once when youre not anywhere at all? FIRESIGN THEATER",
    "I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. OSCAR WILDE",
    "We are what we pretend to be. KURT VONNEGUT, JR",
    "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. OSCAR WILDE",
    "The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong - but thats the way to bet. DAMON RUNYON",
    "I could prove God statistically. GEORGE GALLUP",
    "Real wealth can only increase. R BUCKMINSTER FULLER",
    "Anyone can hate. it costs to love. JOHN WILLIAMSON",
    "In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true. JOHN LILLY",
    "Time is an illusion perpetrated by the manufacturers of space. GRAFFITI",
    "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible. ALBERT EINSTEIN",
    "Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. TALLULAH BANKHEAD",
    "A physicist is an atoms way of knowing about atoms. GEORGE WALD",
    "Dont lose Your head To gain a minute You need your head Your brains are in it. BURMA SHAVE",
    "It was always thus; and even if 'twere not, 'twould inevitably have been always thus. DEAN LATTIMER",
    "Burnt Sienna. Thats the best thing that ever happened to Crayolas. KEN WEAVER",
    "We dont know who discovered water, but we are certain it wasnt a fish. JOHN CULKIN",
    "Try to be the best of what you are, even if what you are is no good. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "I waited and waited, and when no message came, I knew it must have been from you. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "Please dont lie to me, unless youre absolutely sure Ill never find out the truth. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "Please dont ask me what the score is, Im not even sure what the game is. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "If you cant learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "I dont have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "Maybe Im lucky to be going so slowly, because I may be going in the wrong direction. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "By doing just a little every day, I can gradually let the task completely overwhelm me. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT",
    "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. OSCAR WILDE",
    "The flush toilet is the basis of Western civilization. ALAN COULT",
    "If the aborigine drafted an IQ test, all of Western civilization would presumably flunk it. STANLEY GARN",
    "The world looks as if it has been left in the custody of trolls. FATHER ROBERT F CAPON",
    "Sure there are dishonest men in local government. But there are dishonest men in national government too. RICHARD M NIXON",
    "We are going to have peace even if we have to fight for it. DWIGHT D EISENHOWER",
    "If we make peaceful revolution impossible, we make violent revolution inevitiable. JOHN F KENNEDY",
    "'Contrariwise', continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isnt, it aint. Thats logic.' LEWIS CARROLL",
    "It takes a long time to understand nothing. EDWARD DAHLBERG",
    "To know the world one must construct it. CESARE PAVESE",
    "Eeny Meeny, Jelly Beanie, the spirits are about to speak. BULLWINKLE MOOSE",
    "The mistake you make is in trying to figure it out. TENESSEE WILLIAMS",
    "An object never serves the same function as its image- or its name. RENE MAGRITTE",
    "All I kin say is when you finds yo' self wanderin' in a peach orchard, ya dont go lookin' for rutabagas. KINGFISH",
    "He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder. M C ESCHER",
    "Law of Computability Applied to Social Sciences: If at first you don't suceed, transform your data set.",
    "When more and more people are thrown out of work, unemployment results. CALVIN COOLIDGE",
    "The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts. PAUL ERLICH",
    "Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you wont either. JOSEPH FISCHER",
    "Fourth Law of Thermodymanics: If the probability of success is not almost one, then it is damn near zero. DAVID ELLIS",
    "Frouds Law: A transistor protected by a fast acting fuse will protect the fuse by blowing first.",
    "The meek shall inherit the earth, but not its mineral rights. J PAUL GETTY",
    "Give a small boy a hammer and he will find that everything he encounters needs pounding. ABRAHAM KAPLAN",
    "The fault lies not with our technologies but with our systems. ROGER LEVIAN",
    "Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. ROBERT D SPRECHT",
    "Thoreau's Law: If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life.",
    "Vique's Law: A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.",
    "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. GERALD WEINBERG",
    "Zimmerman's Law of Complaints: Nobody notices when things go right.",
    "Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance. CONFUCIUS",
    "Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein. BOOK OF PROVERBS",
    "It usually takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech. MARK TWAIN",
    "The unnatural, that too is natural. GOETHE",
    "I used to be indecisive; now Im not sure. GRAFFITI",
    "I had a monumental idea this morning, but I didnt like it. SAMUEL GOLDWYN",
    "He hasn't one redeeming vice. OSCAR WILDE",
    "I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. GRAFFITI",
    "'Martyrdom' is the only way a person can become famous without ability. GEORGE BERNARD SHAW",
    "Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof. ASHLEY MONTAGUE",
    "Birth, Copulation, and Death. That's all the facts when you come to brass tacks. T. S. ELLIOT",
    "Make no little plans. They have no Magic to stir Men's blood. D. B. HUDSON",
    "Bradley's Bromide: If computers get too powerful,we can organize them into a committee... that will do them in.",
    "Civilization Law #1: Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations one can do without thinking about them.",
    "Ketterling's Law: Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence.",
    "Whenever 'A' attempts by law to impose his moral standards upon 'B', 'A' is most likely a scoundrel. H. L. MENCKEN",
    "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion. GEORGE WASHINGTON",
    "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to Liberty. THOMAS JEFFERSON",
    "Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations. THOMAS JEFFERSON",
    "We must all hang together, or we will surely all hang separately. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN",
    "Where a new invention promises to be useful, it ought to be tried. THOMAS JEFFERSON",
    "Assuming that either the left wing or the right wing gained control of the country, it would probably fly around in circles. PAT PAULSEN",
    "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. CAMUS",
    "Six years for possession of a cigarette?...I got six months for possession of a deadly weapon! S. HARRIS",
    "The Swartzberg Test: The validity of a science is its ability to predict.",
    "What do you call a boomerang that doesn't work? A stick! BILL KIRCHENBAUM",
    "To err is human, to compute divine. Trust your computer but not its programmer. MORRIS KINGSTON",
    "I've seen many politicians paralyzed in the legs as myself, but I've seen more of them who were paralyzed in the head. GEORGE WALLACE",
    "You don't have to explain something you never said. CALVIN COOLIDGE",
    "A little caution outflanks a large cavalry. BISMARCK",
    "A billion here, a billion there, sooner or later it adds up to real money. EVERETT DIRKSEN",
    "I like a man who grins when he fights. WINSTON CHURCHILL",
    "There are a lot of lies going around.... and half of them are true. WINSTON CHURCHILL",
    "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times he will pick himself up and carry on... WINSTON CHURCHILL",
    "Pioneering basically amounts to finding new and more horrible ways to die. JOHN W. CAMPBELL",
    "That man is richest whose pleasures are cheapest. THOREAU",
    "Life is not one thing after another.... it's the same damn thing over and over!",
    "The meek will inherit the Earth..... The rest of us will go to the stars.",
    "After all is said and done, a lot more has been said than done.",
    "Beauty is only skin deep, but Ugly goes straight to the bone.",
    "There is no remedy for sex but more sex.",
    "Any given program, when running correctly, is obsolete.",
    "Sex is like snow... You never know how many inches you're going to get or how long it will last.",
    "What matters is not the length of the wand, but the magic in the stick.",
    "Love is a matter of chemistry, but Sex is a matter of physics.",
    "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. ALBERT SZENT-GYORGI",
    "Revolution is the opiate of the intellectuals.",
    "I really hate this damn machine, I wish that they would sell it. It never does just what I want, But only what I tell it.",
    "Fantasy, abandoned by reason, produces impossible monsters; united with it, she is the mother of the arts and the origin of marvels. GOYA",
    "Some people like my advice so much that they frame it upon the wall instead of using it. GORDON R. DICKSON",
    "Civilization is a movement, not a condition; it is a voyage, not a harbor. TOYNBEE",
    "We have met the enemy and he is us. WALT KELLY",
    "You know, of course, that the Tasmanians, who never committed adultery, are now extinct. M. SOMERSET MAUGHAM",
    "If it ain't broke, don't fix it. BERT LANTZ",
    "The one charm of marriage is that it makes a life of deception a neccessity. OSCAR WILDE",
    "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. VOLTAIRE",
    "There are things that are so serious that you can only joke about them. HEISENBERG",
    "It takes all sorts of in & out-door schooling to get adapted to my kind of fooling. R. FROST",
    "Confound these ancestors.... They've stolen our best ideas! BEN JONSON",
    "Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.",
    "Rotate your tires.",
    "Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself, And heed well their advice - even though they be turkeys.",
    "Know what to kiss - and when.",
    "Remember that two wrongs never make a right, But that three do.",
    "Wherever possible, put people on 'HOLD'.",
    }

     

     

    copy-paste the code yourself to “MainMenu”

     

    and copy-paste the quotes to a file 00_quotes.lua in the folder “ui”.

     

    the quotes are a collection from aeons ago for the Amiga, some i removed and kept only what isn’t to long.

    of course “/n” would work to get a new line, but anyway short is better.

     

     

    “If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. GERALD WEINBERG”

    #102983
    AvatarPotsmoke66
    Participant

    i have no idea if you are still around, holdays maybe?

     

    doesn’t matters,

     

    i “hacked” the lmr-modelviewer to (most of) my needs and it looks like it could be handy for you as well,

     

    the only thing i haven’t figured out so far is to get a a ortographic view, because one CAN’T WORK with perspective view,

    just to tell the grid in perspective view is as useful as if you would hold a meter in front of you to measure something which is 10 meters ahead of you, obviously this won’t work.

    i.e. to proper position small things like a missile it’s useless, you can roughly say if it’s positioned well, but you can’t measure things in a perspective view.

     

    i checked your lmr-modelviewer in “Genesia” and figured out it leaks if the same problem, you can’t anymore type in a specific number to desplay the apropriate equipment.

     

    actually you can call in my revisited version most equipment with the sliders.

    the setup is following:

    SLIDER 0 = WHEEL_STATE

    SLIDER 1 – 4 = GAME_TIME (reserved)

    SLIDER 5 = FUELSCOOP OR CARGOSCOOP

    SLIDER 6 = ENGINE EITHER CLASS1 OR MILITARY CLASS1 (i needed this, because i have now different engine glows for the military drives)

    SLIDER 7 = ECM BASIC OR ADVANCED

    SLIDER 8 = SCANNER

    SLIDER 9 = RADAR MAPPER

    SLIDER 10 = FRONT LASER(S) ALL FROM 1MW UP TO LARGE PLASMA ACCELERATOR (needed if you scale laser models to the power they have and like to see if the scale works for the ship)

    SLIDER 11 = REAR LASER(S) ALL FROM 1MW UP TO LARGE PLASMA ACCELERATOR (needed if you scale laser models to the power they have and like to see if the scale works for the ship)

    SLIDER 12 TO 19 = MISSILES ALL just for completeness

    SLIDER 20 = HYPERCLOUD ANALYZER like i said i liked to get a model representing it and changed the old “ecm advanced” to “analyzer” while i created a new one for the “ecm adv”

    SLIDER 21 = LASERCOOLER just because i started to make a standard gun with a lasercooler version implemented

     

    ATMOSPHERIC SHIELDING i removed but if you feel you need it i can implement it again

     

    i counter checked it with Genesia and it works as well, but you have to replace the old Glew32.dll

    i zipped it together with the executable, but make a backup of the old one, one can never know, even if i assume it won’t harm anything.

     

    ah well, i added finally a second color to represent the second random color, orange is a bit agressive but it won’t matter as long as it’s not “no color” (or matt white).

     

     

     

    LMR MODELVIEWER 20140822:

    [attachment=2725:modelviewer_20140822.zip]

     

     

    Sidetrip:

    i made a new UV mapping and a proper collison mesh for the “Lion” in “Genesia”, it’s not yet finished, i delayed it because of the scripted geometry i’m working on.

    (UV is unwrapped, but the model needs to be revisited, the mapping will be handy to craft a nice skin for the ship, further i removed a few hidden tris and will also make the landing flaps acting)

     

     

    i would be grateful if somene could help me with the orthographic view for the modelviewer,

    since i’m recently refining and creating new swcripted geometry this would be a big help

     

    in general it’s this


    renderer->SetOrthographicProjection(x-min, x-max, y-min, y-max, z-min, z-max);

    i’m at all not sure if it will work at all ?

     

    but it would be sure a fine thing to have, no question, i wouldn’t need a perspective view at all for a modelviewer

    but I NEED ORTHOGRAPHIC VIEW on top of anything else, ever heard of a (seen a) technical drawing in perspective view?

     

    me never!

     

    buttons for top, side, rear or front view would be “luxus”.

     

    further just guess of any CAD we have, certainly today they show a perspective view as well (but i never use to work with that),

    but it wasn’t because of limits that in the past you had only a orthographic view, it’s simply far more important as a perspective one for modeling, basta!

     

    again, no matter how far my viewpoint is from the model, in a orthographic view a meter is a meter and not “bended” due to alignment of the perspective.

    again, the grid was a good idea, but it’s useless without a orthographic view,

    further well the grid would need some sectioning (luxus #2), e.g. like a paper sheet for technical drawings, mm’s in “light” shading, cm’s a bit stronger, and so on.

    besides on such a sheet i designed the “Rapier”, i didn’t needed a “modelviewer” and certainly i needed no perspective view for such, just top,side,rear view (FLAT 2D!!!)

    a “3D pespective sheet of paper” (if such would exist, fortunately it’s 2D) wouldn’t work.

    #102984
    AvatarVuzz
    Participant

    hi Gernot,

     

    thanks but in fact ….  I’m not interesting about this model viewer for my Genesia ,  i think modelviewer is just to see the general style  of heach ships and don’t need more options.

     

    Sorry but, i have the project to delete this one  when i release the final version of Genesia, in final version  players must discover alls ships in the game ^^.

    #102985
    AvatarPotsmoke66
    Participant

    well i feel sorry for that, no critics about

     

     

    in final version  players must discover alls ships in the game

     

    but i thought you work from time to time on the models, don’t you? i thought this will be handy for you, if not  – “flush it down the drain”.

     

    btw, the modelviewer is less ment to explore models, it’s ment foremost to check scripted geometry and animations based on expressions,

    besides you have to guess that you aren’t probably the sole one who likes to create resp. script a model.

    chances are extremely low for this to happen, but who knows and if one likes to do such a tedious work he will need the modelviewer, even if it’s just to texture a model.

     

    in other terms, how could i have started out in modeling ever without such softs? offered by the publisher or “user created”?

    no way at all, thus a MV for i.e. SW-XWA was even less to explore the models as to offer the possibility to players to create their own ships or variations of existing ships.

    user created, ok (one of the available tools for SW-XWA is very easy to use, a bit limited but you can simply assemble models from existing parts,

    it’s something like a “advanced modelviewer”, years ago i had the idea to do something similar with pioneer, offer a set of parts from which players can build models of their choice

    without need to have knowledge about modeling, “LEGO style” in other terms, some basic hulls, basic engines and so on).

    different comparison

    for “rotten old” NFS3(&4), EA itself offered a CarCAD, without it there would be not even half of what you find of models for the game and them are countless for NFS3&4.

    even my version of the “courier” was given birth by a CarCAD.

    neither some would have written a more comfotable version or implemented the format to a CAD (of those days) like “z-modeler”.

     

     

    but o.k. i will offer anyway a “pioneer” without one single solid object, only classic scripted geometry.

    i like what we can do today with the advanced software we have, but i like as much as this the scripted geometry.

    it’s cool and it’s classic, certain devs. e.g. “hello kitty” (GLBasic) has fallen in love with them at first sight, “you make scripted geometry gernot? that’s great stuff!”.

    and as long as i get such replies i will continue to make them, no matter if i’m envolved in something new and completely different.

    this is fundamental 3D and what ever one guesses or thinks about that, it will stay fundamental, even in 100 years.

    it’s like the difference between something which is hand crafted or something a machine does by pressing of a few buttons.

    i worked in a carpentry for a few years and the philosophy of my boss was similar, we used almost no machines in the production and certainly no computer controlled,

    everything was “bio” and hand crafted, erm.. i guess we like such, it’s different even if the result might be the same or similar.

     

    “helo kitty” was right “gernot you let SEUCK vomit real graphics” and i do pretty the same with the scripted geometry for pioneer i guess.

    besides “hello kitty” and his comrades use even only scripted geometry for their GL-Basic 3D-games, that’s why he was so impressed by “pioneer”.

    some might feel it’s “overaged” and “obsolate”, others feel exactly the opposite to that.

     

    however, if i have scrambled some models together and everything looks and feels like i expect, i will offer this “retro pioneer” – better, i will call it “Sputnik” (satellite).

    and well, if no one will like it, i know at least one who will like it – me.

    further to me it’s very important to keep reminescences to TomM, who imagined it in this way, to me he is still the project starter and “jedi master” of pioneer.

    without him there would be no pioneer at all (and certainly none of the derivatives of it)!

     

    to me “pioneer” is the “LEGO” of the space games which exists.

    i discovered with it that my teacher was right “you’re stupid, you would be good, but you are so damned lazy gernot”

     

     

    “keep the ‘Flowerfairy Heavy Trader’ alive”!

     

    ok, i won’t pester you no longer, besides i have work to do – a lot of work.

    #102986
    AvatarAnonymous

    Hey there,

     

    I keep getting the error “Genesia.exe is not a valid win32 application”, whenever I try to run it.

    I’m on Windows Xp (32-bit) Sp3

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