something i forgot, the game is a WIP!

it has bugs in the code and of course SOME MODELS MIGHT CRASH THE GAME, i don't know, but it could be.

YOU start unfortunately with a totally overloaded "Rapier", this i can't influence actually, hence the "Rapier" has 10tons overweight.

remove 9tons hydrogene, the missiles, and dismount the 2MW pulse laser to get a suitable starting ship.

don't be surprised if you jump to "system x" and you didn't arrive alive, the pirates are mercyless and fire at you before you can move.

see this as a challange, save often and reload, next time better luck.

have PHUN!

http://spacesimcentral.com/ssc/files/file/1068-pioneer-space-simulator-alpha8/

you will find some disabled models, foremost in the stations folder, they are simply zipped, you can unzip them but ON YOUR OWN RISK.

the hostile (sealed) groundstation has a error, i have to fix that.

the outdoor station1 produces a error, i have to fix that.

the outdoor station2 has not working adverts, i have to fix that.

there is one spacestation you can try if you like "Mars Station" it's a copy of the "Mars High" type from FE2.

it's a extremely large station and the only reason was to test if such oversized models will work,

that was two years ago when i planned my "Big Wheel", then i made this model and found out it won't work in a recent release, the size of

objects is limited for what reason ever.

not so in alpha8, it works but "Mars Station" has no "space station entry" no "lift" in other words, but the ship(s) can dock.

also i like to revive s2oDan's "Hollow World" station, i like this one much and you will find it soon in "alpha8" (or what the name will be ever in future).

about the "Big Wheel" i didn't like to lose many words, intentionally i liked to surprise everybody (and make everybody else jealous) with it, but it isn't finished and will take some extra time.

ships are in general what you already know of me, there is a folder "notes" there you will find a list of the ships i used for "alpha8"

this also because i changed some names to give it a little more continuity.

we won't have things like "imperial...xxx" nor that i used any of the names you know from FE2.

ships is only ONE left of what could be called "elite", it's the "Marauder" (former "Imperial Courier"), but since i feel this isn't a "copy of" and more just "leaned on", i see no problems with this ship, the shape could be also leaned on SW as well (i never released this copy, but i have one very similar SW ship, but since the model belongs to "Dark Sabre" and because he's a bit "greedy" with his models i never released it for Pioneer, looks like he has a made special agreement with "Lucasarts", or he stated he has, who knows for sure, he's angry because in the very past some third party sold his models).

there was a "Viper X", now it's called "Venom" and the ship looks quite different to a "Viper".

we have still a "Explorer" a innocuous or innocent name, former this was the "Typhoon" which is even a nice name for a ship, but i reserved it for a fighter.

the "Imperial Interceptor" simply lost the "Imperial" in the name and is now a Police ship with which you better didn't mess.

s2oDan's "Imperial Explorer" turned to "Terra Class", i had this idea after naming first my "Terra" ship to this, then i fixed the capacities of both and "Terra" is the largest most voluminous ship thus it's called now "Galaxy Class", both have "proper names", the "Terra Class" ships are named after well known physicists, the "Galaxy Class" are named after ancient egypt pharaos. the list is expandable, suggestions are welcome.

other large ships will have in future "proper names" as well, it suits them.

it's something different as just "XY-1234" if a ship is named "Newton" or "Tutanchamun", if this can be once reflected in the game we wil see.

of course due to the random selection based on the last 4 glyphs in the registration, there will be actually possibly more then one "Newton", but i gues even such is to manage in future ("remove a used name from the table of proper names to use" since there will be a limit of appearance of such large comrades it should workout fine, or the future table of names could be expanded to hundrets to avoid a "running empty" of the table, or we could state "if the last entry in the table is removed, setup a new table, with the same content" i guess doubles you won't see often anyway, besides they have a reg. thus a "Newton GS-2014" isn't the same ship as a "Newton TM-2007"). classic names like "Enterprise" are even innocuous, many naval ships have had this names, also "Endeavour", "Challenger" or even "Santa Maria", "Niña" or "Pinta".

but of course i like reminescences to famous ppl, gods, kings, whatever. a "Thor" will be as nice as a "Theoderich" or even a "Nero" or "Marc Aurel",

a "Widukind" to counter "Charlemagne" resp. "Carolus Magnus" why not. we can choose from thousends, the web will help us.

not important, but even the fifth finger counts to have a good grip.

erm well, if someone remenbers who modelled the "Kestral", i would appreciate this, you find it in the game named now as "Crecerelle".

ah, to our non english speaking fellows, "alpha8" has no translation, but of all the nitpicking things i find this really unimportant,

for several reasons, personally i never had problems to play FE2 in english, the few words you need to understand the short sentences are easy to learn. somehow i feel english suits this game best, i even play pioneer still always in english.

therefore i would appreciate more names in "foreign" languages, even for the ships, this idea came with the "Crecerelle".

e.g. a "Aluette" would be fine as well, also because blériots first monoplane was named like this.

disclaimer:

THIS GAME IS REALLY BAREBONED

it leaks of countless things, nonetheless, this release of Pioneer i play actively, i like to make myself a life, a carreer in this release.

especially the planets leak of the beauty you know from Pioneer (on the other hand, hmm i really like some of the cliffs, the rough terribly high mountains look reasonable to me on hostile worlds with no or near to no atmosphere), but this is first to solve, second as important or not as my ships.

actually!

of course i like to have them in a better shape.

but other more basic things are important to solve.

like i said appearance of cities, resp. how to build cities, how the models will look is a future task, they will prob. look more basic as right now for a while, until this "building of" is solved satisfying.

combat, i like to keep or stay to how it is.

you will find the original flattened galaxy in this release, it has advantages to gameplay, but this is to debate, i like both, the "flattened galaxy" and the "real sized".

implementation of even more communication between models and game, i would like.

reflection of your actions in the game, one of the most important tasks in my opinion.

i feel it should be possible to explore, i mean really explore worlds.

actually the systems aren't outsourced in this release, but soon as we had this i thought:

hmm... couldn't we let the program write out such scripts of systems? (it could be also a binary i guess)

further wouldn't it be possible then if i discover a system to name it by choice?

to (if we have ever) place a mining machine or some other equipment to analyze the surface?

furthermore, seen if factions are sourced out to, can't we change a faction a system belongs to?

in the meaning of, i lost this battle, now system x turns from faction-a to faction-b, because i failed in a task?

since i like to stay to a single player game i see no problems with synchronizing,

but on the other hand i guess it would be possible to exchange some data between players.

ah yes, "single player game", nonetheless a dogfight between two players would be possible,

e.g. you meet at a given station for this "extra feature".

it could be as well something which has absolutely no relation to the rest of the game.

e.g. like the "Mario v.s. Luigi" thing in super mario. it's a game in the game, a extra feature and didn't affects the "real game"

sort of a bonus.

decades, really decades ago i dreamed of "Frontier" resp. "Pioneer" (those who know me well, know this already), but i had no idea that something like this exists or was already planned. i was just a "invaders" freak ("galaga" or whatever spaceshooter of the 80's) who lived innocently in a deep valley in switzerland, but i dreamed of such a game, docking to stations, land on planets and yes even that your action as pilot should affect the environment.

the very maximum we had back then was cheated 3D, like in "Star Strike" (intellivision). strategy games like "Kaiser" (C64) and adventures, phew adventures? ok like "Adventure" resp. "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons" (intellivision/parker). but in my "dream" or daydream i saw all mixed into one.

so far to how long that this idea of a game moves me, it moves me since i'm 16 years old, since 1982!

Frontier was like a revelation to me, Pioneer is heaven!

pioneer-alpha8

AUTHORS

 

Maintainer:

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"Tom Morton" <tomm@riseup.net>

 

Coding:

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John Jordan

Nic

Paul Roberts

Tom Morton

Dan Bennett

 

Art:

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Gernot

John Jordan

Peter Kurucz

Fran Morton

Tom Morton

Dan Bennett

Steve Tyler

Marcel Tulloh

Uncle Bob

 

Fonts:

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from the liberation fonts: https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts

 

Looks like you and Marcel are the only survivors of the early days.  :notme:

really is that true?

I'M PROUD TO BE A SURVIVOR!

yeah, we withstood all the battles, we fought until we nearly broke our necks!

and to me it's still TomM's (and JJ's) game,

HE IS MY JEDI-MASTER, I'M HIS PADAWAN.

besides, walterar, "Albert" was a interesting character, yes almost a "mad scientist", in the meaning of "madness or lunacy isn't far from genius".

it's a circle (like most things) and it closes at this very small point or edge.

his son was a "lunatic" or in other words he wasn't able to live in society, maybe today it would be possible, but back then they put him into a "madhouse".

that is, we (and of course in any other country) had locked up a lot of geniuses, society had no use for them and they didn't found a place in it.

unfortunately i missed this opportunity, but right this spring was a arts exhibition of such "mad geniuses", a psychatrist back then collected the work of them, because he thought maybe one day ppl would understand better.

the composed, painted and wrote prosa and i know it isn't crazy what they did, today such is called "ars brut".

and tell me what you like, much of their output looks better to me as what is sold for many kilo $.

:good:

Come on Gernot, don't hold back, tell us what you really think! :biggrin:

Commenting on what you said near the top of this thread;

I think your comments about city generation are spot on. From what I've read there's a lot to be written in C++ for the things you suggest to happen, but people are working on it.

Pioneer is not Frontier, but it's going to be awesome!

what i really think?

in advance, i do like the progress which has been made with PIONEER, visually at least.

i guess there's

a) a note in the folder "notes", in which i have let my thoughts run wild.

B) primary, i like to start on a "clean white canvas", if PIONEER would be one of my pictures i would trash it and start, like i said, on a clean white canvas.

sounds a bit hard, i know. but if a artist is dissatisfied with his own work he will tear the picture apart and start a new one.

ok this is not exactly the same, hence i like to start at exactly this point, alpha8, before the AI got to hard for most, before lateral accel changed to something i'm not sure of if it's at least halfaways realistic.

besides, i guess the degree of realism is not so important, important is that a "rookie" can start a carreer and is able to survive.

you start with a lousy ship and a few credits, you can easy compare this to a carreer in SCGT as example, you have some money and can buy a car, but it's a shitty car and it leaks of any upgrades, brakes, tires, motor, suspension, everything is "stock". you race and probably hopefully advance to 5th (to be 1st you can only dream of), you buy yourself then upgrades, a turbo, better suspension, better brakes, it's your choice and finally you have to mess wiht your upgrades. probably next season you are able to win the class you're driving in and you advance to the next class, again either you take your mocked up car or buy a new one which is again from stock.

so that's how a carreer works, you start as rookie and advance step by step.

besides, yes that's boring sometimes, if you're really a rookie, i mean a newbe to the game, you probably have to race the same races over and over again, before you are good enough in handling the machine, before you know the tracks like your own pocket, this can be boring, but this is how a carreer works. it's not "i'm Schumacher" from the very start, it's in other terms commander Jameson, the "space rookie".

there have been made so many changes to the game which i personally dislike.

that is i.e., you know me, the lack of the LMR, whatever someone else might think, i'm still in love with it.

i repeat myself, it opens a lot of doors which stay otherwise closed, i think, it's my view to it and i can't speak for others.

it's also the idea of "true mechanics", animations based on expressions work for real, with a matrix i can do things which would be never possible in reality or not in this way. it's a object which follows a path, a matrix, and this you can "bend", but i can't "bend" a conrod in reality,

it would break. thus if i like to get a conrod working i have to find the proper way how it works in reality.

the overweighting of postprocessing, we have comrades here who can't run the game, what do they get as answer? "your machine is at the limit" (in other terms lame, "go buy a better one"), sorry i wouldn't like it if i would get such a reply.

i think PIONEER should run even on lower specced machines, or is this a project only for the riches?

yes, no, didn't i asked (promised, saw in advance) such a few years ago?

seems i'm really good in predicting future...

i was told my "countless animations eat up framerate", well i knew that it won't harm a tenth part of what postprocessing does to the framerate.

it's open source and we have to expect that open source users haven't the right money, as example myself, why do i use blender and not 3dsMAX?

simply because i haven't the bucks for it, i neither would have had them when i was working, a full *"pro" license costs as much as i earned in one YEAR!, but i needed the money to

feed my children and not to buy a software license. it's to debate if that is really good that some earn simply to much and have lost any sense what the money, the energy, the work behind is worth, but this doesn't belongs here. (*pro means you are allowed then to sell the work you made with it).

we might haven't the right money but that didn't means we are idiots, you don't have to be a idiot to be a craftsman, but you need a certain view to what is really worthy.

i quit my my profession as a textile technician long ago, maybe i would have become a good one, maybe i would be in a different situation in life as now,

BUT injustice isn't worth the money i could have earned with this. there isn't much business like textile where so much injustice exists!

i found it much more satisfying to work as a construction worker, to earn some money for REAL WORK, righteously.

it's just me, i can't stand injustice and if i like to change something then i have to start with myself.

sorta "mason"? well not completely wrong thought.

see "textile technician" how overexpressed! i use to call myself a "Tüechlidrugger", hard to translate it needs a little of to see yourself as not so important, a "textile printer".

this world is, sorry, full of "overexpressionists", i'm this and that, ahh dammit! i'm only the "Tüechlidrugger", but i can show you something, if you let me.

Titles, something (you remeber the "ubergeek" hopping around in front of the machines?) which has made already my dad always angry.

even he would have said, "i'm a lathecontroller" that's all, even if he haven't stood in front of the lathe since a long time, his title would have been something like

"system engineer" or "system developer", but he gave a shit about that, it doesn't affects the quality of the work, or we both would say

vice versa! what use to have a title if your work worthes a shit?

so far to "open source" and my view to it.

you said "PIONEER isn't Frontier", well i can't subscribe to this, it's not what i think, neither i expressed this.

and i know there are others as well who see this from my pov.

"PIONEER is what Frontier could have become in our eyes as Frontier addicted players".

just read Tom Morton's statement why he started the project at all, this is PIONEER to me, nothing more and nothing less.

i don't care what Robert thinks about that, i'm a person of my own.

it's fine to me if others like to go in a different direction, no problem with that.

BUT i would like a bunch of devs who like to go in a similar direction as i like to go.

and if i have to do all myself and if i have to teach me all myself, then i will do so.

as well as we learned to handle the rotten LMR by doing, as well we can learn the rest, i'm sure.

if the advance is slow and steps are little, i don't mind, as long as we (i) reach the goal i see far ahead of me.

surprisingly this is not my kind of temper, i'm usually impatient and like to reach goals immediatly.

i'm a little bit like "Donald Duck", but it's always good to see yourself.

further, you see, i'm a bit angry and for this i have good reasons, as a tiny example, it was fine to remove the "elite" stuff, in case for my models no problem. BUT has any other model found a way into the later releases?

this here RETROSPECTIVE is full of models which have no relation to "elite"!

besides most exist since many years.

i offered to, if i like collada or not, convert them, but there was/is ZERO interest from a certain side.

ok if the small fighters won't fit, then they don't fit anymore, but again this isn't how i see PIONEER.

vice versa, some uttered/assumed i couldn't do that, any more insults in stock?

it's a sneeze to do that!

i said i would have liked to present "the Big Wheel" with a clip, and yes just to provoke.

just to show this here loudmouth can perform "magic", if he likes to and if one lets him.

from my pov, i was simply awkward (uncomfortable), i had to be pushed out, no matter how.

yes I'AM AWKWARD, the little punk has to be.

of course i have now ZERO interest to participate any further, anyone would feel pretty much the same in my situation.

why should i? why should i give my blood if it's not honored? if i get kicked in the ass for it instead.

INSTEAD, i rather like to start from point zero, from the point before most things went in a direction i didn't liked to go.

AGAIN, i can only beg for support, hoping to find some idiots who feel similar as me.

AGAIN, i like to have a PIONEER close to Frontier and i didn't think that this is a problem for a open source project.

i like to play PIONEER, but unfortunately the "long gone pioneer".

of course many things have implemented to it which i like as well, no question, more as i have fingers on my hands.

of course i don't like to be freezed in the past!

but well, from  my pov it's only good to start at point zero, for many things i see different, let's say more cool solutions.

can you imagine to have a "Max Headroom" instead of the cluttered faces, i respect subzero-plainzero's work much and i like the result,

but this would be a hammer.

it doesn't have to be or won't be perfect in the beginning, but of course even this will grow and it would be unique.

besides still we could need his talent to reach this goal.

besides, even for this i need scripted geometry, else i see no solution to this task, i said "i see...".

i know things could be made prob. different, but it will leak for sure of flexibility.

"Max" should be able to deform his head, but foremost he has to able to read text, if not construct, procedurally generate, text.

projects which solved such from the mathematical side exist since the days of good old AMIGA500.

what i have to do is to find a fitting method to give "Max" a 3dimensional shape.

i'm mostly responsible for models, i know, but i have a head full of ideas what can be done to get the ideas of the old days in a new shape.

i would like to use the procedural generating for many things, this is the clue, the essence of PIONEER.

models, shape of planets, postprocessing all this is secondary.

it's the flesh and important to, but without bones the flesh falls apart.

it's without bones just a shapeless mass, something glibbery which crawls around.

on the other hand, naked bones are... erm, just naked.

i'm a DREAMER yes, but could it be better?

let's truely RIDE THE BLUE SKIES, first there is a dream, then we find a solution.

i wonder what "intys" developing team would have made of the tools we have today...

certainly not something stiff or limited, they broke limits already back then, asking;

"can i have this in a game?"

"voice?"

"how can we animate things more pleasing, more fluid as just some sprites which move over the screen?"

"how can we reach more interaction?"

"how can we reach that something isn't so easy to foresee?"

often the solution was quite simple, but one has first to ask if it's possible, to do this very first step of dreaming.

in fact the team was one part designers and dreamers, the other half developers and programers who showed them the possibilities but also the limits.

one part hippies in tie-dyes, the other part "white coats".

phew, haven't said all, but does this explain my thoughts better marcel?

ok, above post is adressed to marcel, but feel free...

phew, i've read right now "Frontier VS Pioneer ",

i hope i'm not misunderstood completely,

a few words to what i've read right now,

i don't HATE the SGM,

i do see that i was nearly the only one who dared to mess with it, thus i do understand the decision.

(on the other hand i'm no genius, or didn't see myself as, is it really such a problem? or maybe just a little lazyness?

neither i can subscribe the the LMR was a mess, hard to maintain, but a mess i have in my living room, i know how such looks)

besides, once this branch, or better it's actually only a lose idea, stands on his own feet it will get a "proper name" and i will move it to a different branch in SSC as well.

but really, first i need a source of alpha8 state, then i can start, whatever might come out of it.

let's say do this as a last honor to the guy who brought those "unwanted" (it let's me cry, no one told this before) FE2 ships into pioneer.

that i'm able to do my own, you can see here, i'm no "plagiator" how i was called once.

but see, if i wouldn't have copied them, then maybe i wouldn't have understood the LMR at all.

it's like the copies of my japanese brothers, besides i'm german (papers at least) and hmmm... a somewhat more as a century ago germany was in the same position.

"hey the germans copy us, we need a branding to protect our ideas" (that was the day when "made in" was born, unfortunately it turned out to be different as thought,

"made in germany" turned to a sign of quality instead as ment to protect the UK market from cheap copies).

same happened later to the germans with japan.

for certain motorcycles you could exchange every screw on them.

but no one would deny that they are doing now their very own thing.

"made in japan" is often of outraging quality.

i'm a textile printer (technician, i don't like), but what have we done 200 years ago?

we copied the art and style from india and africa, we sold the textiles to the rich ppl there, while switzerland was damned poor.

nothing new under the sun, really not much.

besides, who honors now india and africa?

a few words to adressed to my friend Vuzz:

i hope you are not disappointed with my decision to start at point zero.

i know you could ask, "hey if it's such a problem to get the source for alpha8, why don't you simply support genesia?"

the problem is from my pov, that i would have to "step back" for many things, this seems to me far more complicated as to start in the past.

i compare again to a picture, alpha8 is like a sketch, it isn't painted yet, just started out, alpha31 resp. genesia (am i right?) is in a far more advanced state, to work on this picture is nearly impossible except you would work in the already given direction. the colors have been set, the background is almost finished, certain things on foreground have been positioned and are drawn fully.

but what if i didn't like this picture?

"quack" on what is already there? that won't work or won't turn out well, i guess the patient is then in danger of his life.

no, i can only take a pot of chalk and "destroy" all what is already there if i dislike the result, artists work this way.

Just only disapointed to be alone again on my Genesia project , please gernot , take a little time to discover what i've make since alpha 30 and , if you'r alway right to begin at alpha 8 so make it , but read my changelog from the beginin of genesia and you'll see it's not at all a pioneer game now ^^,

Afterall genesia is in LMR ? and i've working hard onn that , so if i must continue alone , it's not a problem for me , and maibe i can take some part of your work to increase my Genesia ^^

erm, hmpf, ouch...

should i change my mind now?

like i said i would like to develop genesia further...

the thing is only, like i said above, it's working backwards, not genesia is working backwards, but to change those things of which i feel they have get lost over the time.

to start with the models, the situation in genesia is we have two competing systems in one engine.

to workout the things i like, one must be removed, SGM isn't suitable for certain things, or i can't imagine that it will be.

no matter how, one is enough the other is hindering.

ok, this is to solve, i guess.

anyway, if we really like to do this, then we must make a agreement, we must find first a "common denominator".

means what do we like to see in the game.

from my pov genesia needs a congruos look, for the models side.

in fact this would mean, not much else models as i have actually in my retrospective.

we can offer the SW models and Frontier ships as MOD or as a "sidetrip",

genesia (in future i will refere here to pioneer only as genesia) offers enough freedom to have three parallel working releases.

i guess this would be a good idea, let me show you why;

a SW mod could be worked out fine, i mean if we like we can change the whole game to something SW like, not only a few ships i converted,

the whole situation of the galaxy in SW, genesia would offer such, needs prob. a few changes in the source, most i could do already.

for the FE2 mod or version, we could stay to a true FE2 environment reflecting the situation like we know it from FE2, actually that would need no or little changes

(but factions we need at max. 4 not hundrets of, that makes no sense to me).

it's settled in our galaxy, what we have is fine.

for the lets say typical genesia, we could settle it i don't know where, i think it doesn't have to reflect our galaxy, it's something i would like much, in other terms

nearly no scripted systems, all or most is procedural generated.

but it's to debate, i'm open for ideas of what sort ever

edit:

what do you think about a fantasy genesia, like i sketched once, only "animals" no spaceships in a common sense, no humans...

tell me. a own language even? one would have to manage this to? just another lunatic idea, i know.

stations would turn to a sort of motherships, "motherbugs" if you like...

the very first step in this direction would be a slight change in the source, i don't know if i'm able to manage this (that's why i liked to start with alpha8, it would be easier for me to get a overview, i worked already once on a alpha10, i know what and where i will find it), but the "blank" sector 0,0,0 must be removed and we must find a different way to avoid conflicts between generated and scripted systems. i guess a simple solution would be to tell that as long as there is a scripted system in a sector there can't be a generated one. not a perfect solution, but it would open the possibility to change the galaxy fitting to what story environment ever.

a further step is a close look at the shaders (i fear this much), because i encountered a extreme slowdown on framerate even in genesia since you once took over the shader scripts from a newer version, am i right?

what exactly caused this slowdown and it's a remarkable one, i haven't found out yet, i searched once for the cause but like i said i haven't found it. (but i have to say that i lost patience soon, i didn't spent much time for this).

what we MUST do, to open a own branch here on SSC, genesia leaves the path of pioneer, it's something own and if we like to develop on it it will be even more something of it's own.

edit2:

we can nail this down now, but i guess i need a few weeks, anyway from on the 1st of july i will be offline again for two or three weeks.

in this time i can work on the source a little bit, to see if i'm still able to compile it, (i had troubles once with a recent release to compile with MSVC, erm also a reason for me to start with alpha8, this one i can compile. i'm not sure, but you know the guys use a open source compiler now and everything matches this one. of course i could use the same, hmmm.... exactly this is a point i dislike, you noticed the prog. has boosted in size enormously since this change? i don't know if this is just because all libraries are built in, or is there more behind, i assumed once, just by looking at the file, it looked obscure to me to see n-times the same data)

"O'KEH" bananas 😉       peng->

"O'KEH"

"O'KEH"

now you draw... (your turn to answer)

yeah ,

of general way, I think the  Peter Gabriel's musical universe  fits well with the deep space 🙂

Ho ,  and bridy is one of my favorites track  :nyam:

Yes, great choices for the music in Genesia Vuzz. :girldance:

@zzz (first post)

yeah, this is a great station no doubt, i see it's s2oDan's clip, it's not in any realease yet even not in genesia, i guess it lurks around somewhere on my HD.

he made more interesting things watch this (Geraldine digged it out, i nearly forgot what it was at all and was surprised to see it again after such a long time) ;

simply Fantastic,

well "I" i don't like to much, but there's no other way of telling "i like", erm except "me likes" 😉

@vuzz

ok,

then it's useless to ask you if you would like to be involved in a new branch of pioneer

we won't start at alpha1 neither at alpha8, the chosen release is actually alpha30

i would like to see you in this new team, further i ask you if you would lend us your label "Genesia".

it will be your decision, but i would say; stay open minded.

it won't be to your disadvantage.

but i can't force you, i can only ask you.

think about it, if you say "that's fine with me" Genesia will be developed further.

otherwise ok, we will find a label/name for it, no problem.

of course we have to make compromises to give birth to this child.

to nail this down:

it could be it's ok with all the content of genesia, but it could be we must make a few restrictions.

i guess for most model content it's fine, but the SW-XWA conversions how little or much time you or i invested in them

will have to be released only as a MOD.

it's really problematic from the aspect of copyrights, even i feel,

what worries me most of all is "Darksabers MillFalc", i'm not joking!

I know "Darksaber" made a agreement with "Lucasarts" (now it belongs to Disney) to use original SW content.

that is in case for the "MillFalc" the Texture and the Models and Textures of Chewie and Han

(that's not simply Han, it's miniature version of Harrison Ford)

this Textures he didn't made himself, this is original "Lucasarts" artwork, from head to toe.

as a MOD i see no problems, but in a release they let me shiver.

same situation i see for the rest of SW-XWA content, they are not "leaned on", not even a "transscription",

which both would be ok as long as we refere to the source.

it's a simple 1:1 copy of, which is a copyright infringement, how lose i may interprete this ever.

unattended to copyrights, they are not yours neither mine, in my case "i didn't made them, i didn't like to see them"

sounds hard, i know. not exactly "i didn't like to see them", but they won't suit to the rest, this is obvious no?

what doesn't means that we can't work on a SW MOD, fitting in as many aspects to SW as possible.

besides, this would please me far more as to mix SW with FE2

the idea behind and i posted this already is also to show how easy Pioneer can be "turned upside down".

how to make a MOD which fits to a certain idea, but that's anything else as important to me, important are the "bones" not the "flesh".

of course i would like to have a pioneer as much flexible as possible, only this allows finally the idea of a "total MOD".

for the rest of the models content i didn't see many problems, like you stated and even i said this once,

many diff. factions, many diff. ships, why not.

the rest what i stated about how many factions, this or that, was a personal view of mine and we have to workout this,

but we have to workout this as a team.

what we are plain about is, it should be closer to FE2, this i can tell already.

but the ideas are swapping already over the rim.

for my personal view, this wouldn't mean especially the FE2 ships, it's more the spirit behind.

things like "to start a career with a miserable ship" - "i'm jameson the space rookie".

but neither i would mind about to keep the "elite" content, i know some like these ships much,

or to tell it with Geraldines words "they come closer to what i expected of it" (thanks).

some ppl have left, misunderstandings have taken place of harmony.

but all this is past, "schwamm drüber"* - let's forget the past. (*schwamm drüber - let's clean the blackboard, startingallover).

and i hope that some will return which left with shaking heads.

foremost it has to fit to the idea the team has, not especially to my view.

you have with your continous work on Genesia made your own friends.

ok, enough "bla, bla"

we are pregnant but the child has to be born first.

neither i know exactly how this child will look when it's born.

actually he forked pioneer to a own branch on github (it's a plain alpha30, nothing new so far),

but if interested i guess it won't hurt: https://github.com/dlannan/pioneer.git

"come aboard" vuzz

whatever your decision is, we will stay friends.

yes "zzz" of course the "mushrooms" belong to hostile worlds, therefore i would like to reintroduce the good old church, even a mosque?

parks? a "landspeeder"? even ppl?

are you nuts gernot?

(who to the heck is "zzz", "xxx" or "yyy"? such makes me curious "zzz" could be "ts, ts, ts" as well

but it could be also homer doing his favorite daytime job, or the prof. of futurama... "zzzzzzzz erm what?")

@all

i will keep you all informed about the ongoings, once we have a "label" (name) i guess it will be only good to open a own branch here on SSC.

"the contractions have already begun"

tomorrow i will be offline, but i will return as soon as possible

to have web connection has now priority no.1,

even if that means the "pothead" potsmoke has to stop being a pothead, or less.

it's a declared goal of mine anyway, if i have a good reason, it will be only easier.

because it's no situation to work at home and port everything to my moms house and back and fore.

here, have at least a avatar "zzz"

ZZZ... ZZZ... ZZZ...

 

 

are you nuts gernot?

(who to the heck is "zzz", "xxx" or "yyy"? such makes me curious "zzz" could be "ts, ts, ts" as well

but it could be also homer doing his favorite daytime job, or the prof. of futurama... "zzzzzzzz erm what?")

 

 

@ Gernot,

I have always considered Genesia (which is the basis, my personal version of) as a MOD ( total MOD ), which let me complete freedom to put what makes me happy.

You say me " come aboard " but to make what ? , i'm not a coder , not a stylist, and a poor modeler. Just a fan of the elite universe ^^.

And i repeat , you're completly free to take any parts of Genesia for use in your project (it was my original project in first : maintain alive the LMR parts of Pioneer for a future usage 🙂 )

No matter if since the beginin i've make some modif of the source, you're free to discard what you want on that,but i keep the original Genesia project alive (and alway in constant dev with my means or with the help of friends Occasional) because it's my point of vue of the game, like i want it will be 🙂

before i answer to anything,

vuzz, you reported a problem with the "Hullcutter", in hope this model will fix this.

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further i made a quick "new one", formerly it has been called "Kestral" but the author of the model i can't remember, neither i find a entry here on SSC when i search for "Kestral". the model has been renamed by me to "Crecerelle*, which means "Kestrel" (the ordinal name was "Kestral").

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Like the Crecerelle Gernot, reminds me of one of the smaller Romulian Raptor ships from Star Trek.

certainly the modeler had something like that in mind, only far smaller.

a slight fix to the "Hulcutter"

(added a "green glow", added position lights and fixed window transparency)

edit: i found even more errors, sorry

(the link in the prev. post will be updated)

Oh and Gernot? Check your PMs please. :girlwink: