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Astronomers have found evidence of at least one planet in the Alpha Centauri system with a chance that there might be others. Limited information at the moment but it is exciting <img src=' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//icon_e_biggrin.gi f' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/10/exoplanet-found-right-next-door-in-alpha-centauri/


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I saw it on a reconnaissance mission, it's very hot there. <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//diablo.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />


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Exciting indeed! Perhaps someday it will be a candidate for an interstellar probe, but for now it's a candidate for a custom system in Pioneer.


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We arrived late, the planet was colonized by the Bahnahweepgrahnahweepninnybon.


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'walterar' wrote:
... the planet was colonized by the Bahnahweepgrahnahweepninnybon.

How the hell did Google translate that? Heh!

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@fluffyfreak know, he brought news of its existence. And expand rapidly. Already in the google search. Also in the galaxy of Pioneer. They are invaders. We have them around. <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//preved.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />


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I am the top 3 searches for that under Google <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

Although I did get it a little wrong from memory!

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I think Alpha Centauri is already a custom system, it'll just need some tweaking to add a few planets. I haven't read the original paper but it might be a good place to look to see if they make suggestions for possible stable orbits for any additional worlds.


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Alpha Centauri is split into the Toliman and Proxima Centauri systems. They have custom star types and custom locations, but are not fully custom systems. They do have planets, as the game currently stands. Very few systems do not.


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it would be a sneeze to get some inhabited planets there, generated or "hard coded", however, but hrmpf .... renamed alpha centauri to a natives name to that system i never heard before (yes i can read! and FAT letters are simply FAT, letters. does that need explanations? show me a catalogue wher Toliman is printed FAT), sorry.

well if you like to do so call it "Bungula", at least this sounds really "out of the bush".

or name it "kcbviubtgmnjklctvfgkumh" if you think that is fun, i don't do so.

or "bums bums world" or something else silly.

how do the inuit name it, maybe we should take this name?

there was guys, astronomers who had reliable reasons to give halfaways ordered names to the stars to get rid of this tohuwabohu of native names.

usually greek or latin, like for chemistry, biology and physics to have a all around the world understanding...

sorry i can't get warm with "Toliman", why not "Schafseggel" (means ramgoats... you know what), could be the swiss name for it but it's even senseless.

gosh really they made themselfes a head to name that shit halfaways orderly, respect that please.

it's still quite a little random stuff i know, you haven't much possibilities to name stars, often they are bound to the zodiac they are in, this gives you at least a idea where to find them, or you use the radiants in relation to our position, or simply numbered through, but this gets even chaotical if you have many named by the keeper of the catalogue e.g. all the Gliese stuff.

i also remember the dispute back then i released and Tomms comment, "please keep the proper names", respect that at least if you don't respect my arguments.

science needs ordered names, imagine if i would work as a chemistrician with others around the world and i name a thing "murgi" the second "shubi" and the third "walla", we would get nowhere.

we have already far to much language barriers in the world, keep them out of Pioneer.

and if you like to do it really wise, then use a brightness catolgue or anything, but spare me the native names.

sorry, when i'm a bit stiff in this relation, but crazy things i do with my spaceship, that's my freedom, displaying the proper names is sort of a must to me.

and i repeat to me there is no thing to discuss about that that, the FAT printed is widest accepted and this won't change in a 1000 years i guess, why should it?

to complicate things or what?

like i said naming stars is not like naming plants where you have a ordered clear system, something that really left no freedom except to add the name of the discoverer.

i know that it's somewhat random anyway, but what i can't understand is where is the problem to name alpha centauri by the widest accepted name?

we can leave personal footprints anywhere in the game this i like, i would like a "brians refugium" or whatever, but keep the "few" named ones by the widest accepted name.

but on the other hand not worth to argue about and that's why i never again said a word since back then.

and if you love Toliman so much, well then call it Toliman, if such gives you satisfaction, well alright.

oh, besides for the one who liked to get Ceres in the Solar Sytem like it is in FE2, i would have a modified solar system respecting this little fellow.

it was many years ago my first attempt to land on a very low gravity body in FE2 which isn't easy and has only being topped by landings on the diabolo type asteroids in the game.

as we talking about stars, i noticed some systems wander around in pioneer it seems the idea to calculate the galactical rotation isn't that good or wasn't that good, no?

i have foreseen that and still i would say let's simply take the actual positions, at least we have then something reliable, even if ti doesn't reflects proper the stuation in 3200.

apart from that, i'm not convinced if they really will move this much in only 1000 years and we have to keep in mind that we move together with them to, so my imagination is that the relative positions to us won't change much, not in a 1000'000 years.

sol isn't the angle or axis of the galaxy, they don't move around us, we move on along with the rest, we are not that different, only that we live on the earth and tend to think that we are the centre of the universe, because it looks like everything is moving around us.

should i investigate a little more in this direction?

if, i would ask one i know he will explain it very very well.

and brian what would you do if they come along tomorrow and say, oh we have made a error, alpha centauri is a true binary system?

because this is not engraved in stone, astronomers are not sure about the situation or relation between alpha and proxima.

we didn't live long enough, no really not even the time since we record the movement's is enought to make a final statement to that.

well i guess that will need a few thousend years before we can make a final statement to the relation between alpha and proxima centauri.

but it's widest accepted that they are sole, and likewise with the names i'm comfortable with how it is, widest accepted is fine to me.

still in the spirit of isaac newton, "i have to accept that tomorrow one comes along and refutes all of which i see now as a fact".


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Toliman is just yet another name for that star. Others are Bungula, Rigel Kentuarus, Alpha Centauri, ect ect. Its just a name, and is totally illogical to argue with history over its selection <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

Just think of Pioneer as existing in an Alternate dimension to Frontier, some things happened a little differently <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> (Think StarTrek, Spock with a beard <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> )

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as we talking about stars, i noticed some systems wander around in pioneer it seems the idea to calculate the galactical rotation isn't that good or wasn't that good, no?....... apart from that, i'm not convinced if they really will move this much in only 1000 years.....

There is no galactic rotation in Pioneer, or Stellar drift. There is a pull request which corrects every star's position to account for 1200 years of stellar drift. https://github.com/p...eer/pull/1426��

The star chart you see in Pioneer is identical to a standard chart you would see today and as such no stars have moved position.

What point are you trying to make with regards to stars? Are some in the wrong place maybe? ( They are just copied directly from the chart)

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oh, no s2odan, i can't say if they positioned right or wrong actually, that would need some investigations in that direction first <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

but i noticed some "wander" around from alpha to alpha, that's all, nothing to worry about.

neither i have big problems with the name Toliman, a bit annoying that's all, but no real problem.

i never changed it personally even if it would be easy to do so, if your's like toliman i accept it, no problem <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//icon_e_smile.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

personally i would also feel fine with a "parallel universe" where all is named different, spock will wear a beard (great, yeah i like it) and the federation are the "evil" ones, why not?

but from my pov, basic pioneer should be "clean", what we users can do with the mods is something different, (nearly) all doors are open now and i see not much that one should hinder from creating whatever universe/galaxy.

edit: moved the rest to "alpha27 released"


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SpockBeard.jpg

"Welcome to Toliman..."

<img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />


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ahh, nice one...

you know i drifted a little through "Trekverse" in the past month's, especially the new fanmade (they are quite more as simply "fanmade") episodes.

it was a interesting sidetrip and i will for sure visit their forum from time to time.

what has surprised me most, original set, nothing is missing, good old NCC-1701A with occasional visitings of the original actors, wow!

can one ask for more trek feeling?

to me it tops even anything which has produced officially by UA after TOS.

and how they get the original actors work for peanuts is a riddle to me, or i have to say BIG RESPECT, not every actor would do such.

this shows one thing to me;

to them Star Trek means much more as just a serial the made once 40years ago.

i know some also dislike it, like always, it wouldn't be normal if not, especially the episode with the "gay love scene" has annoyed some much.

but i felt, wow that's the spirit, touch a thematic others didn't dare only to think about it.

the producers tried to explain this to, and wanted to calm them down by telling: "listen, star trek is about equal rights..." and so on,

but some simply won't understand i guess.

to see scottie with a bottle of whiskey in his bed, is so charming...

but i guess such is only possible in a web based release, on TV it would be a no! no!

everything fits for me, of course it's that all is "original" or very close to, even the scene lighting, they use a similar lighting as they did back in the 60's, that's something i usually miss in newer movies or series, use the color of the light to create additional excitement.

also it's not as dry as TNG or any later and you won't miss the humor.

it's really a cool gang which produces this episodes, they have the right spirit imo.

besides, it was the first time for me i watched any StarTrek which wasn't synchronized in german, first time i heard mccoys nick, "Bones" (in german they translated it to "Pille", but "Bones" fits far better).


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Are you talking about this?

http://digitalnewage...ult.asp?epi=IHW

I just watched the first episode and enjoyed the hell out of it! <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//biggrin.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />


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exactly marcel, phase2, i thought i presented it already last month, furthur ( <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> ) i was expecting "everybody" wil know it already.

l.jpg

err... umm...

checkout even

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/

and join the forum, if you like to.

and he put all on youtube, plus some additional stuff

http://www.youtube.c...r/RobertMfromLI

looks like a real cool gang, i would like to be envolved, really, even if it would be only to help with building the sets.

i had once a few years ago the chance to work in a stage-construction team, it's cool when you see a TV spot and you know you had helped to make it, even as a little wheel.

enemy:starfleet!, i guess is my favorite...

that might be also caused in the professional acting of this woman, you can see the difference quite well, she's a pro.

it is how it is, playing a evil one needs far more skills!

i guess i watched them one after the other in about two days, also "time and world enough" i like much.


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What do you think Kirk is going to do with *that* !?

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I just watched the first episode and enjoyed the hell out of it! <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//biggrin.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Thanks for linking to the Phase2 trek stuff, I've been watching those since and quite like them <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//icon_e_smile.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Turns out a lot of them (maybe all) were written by Roddenberry and DC Fontana ect and were originally going to be a new Trek series back in the day. I guess thats why some of them are so good.

Although, I can't help thinking I'm watching some Elvis Presley inspired Star Trek : Return of the Quiff


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I chose Toliman because it's the star's name, rather than its constellation index.

Toliman is Alpha Centauri.

Sirius is Alpha Canis Majoris.

Betelgeuse is Alpha Orionis.

Names are, on the whole, better.


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i have no idea what he's about there, but it seems to be in TOS, looks like the censors was sleeping then...

more "funny bones"?

http://www.myspace.com/381738590/photos/albums/funny-bones/481623

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some sorta, the first kirk of phase two, left to play elvis, do you mean that by this?

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and yes, they seem to be based on stories never have been released back then, if i'm informed right.

it's the rest of their "five year long mission in space" one could say.


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well Brianetta, i wil miss Betelgeuse for sure <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//icon_e_smile.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

but like i said before i don't mind to much about the names, it's just a name nothing else, it didn't makes the game.

that's why i never changed it for myself even when it would be easy.

erm, sometimes i'm a little bit stiff, i know.

i shouldn't be that way, it didn't suits me.

i didn't suits one who used to say:

"metal plates are patient"

"you can bend them many times before they break"

"they take any shape you like"

of course it will need a hammer to get them in shape <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//wink3.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

further, instead to argue, i should take some investigations in direction: "alpha centauri has planets"

to see what size they probably have, which is the assumed orbit, to create a custom system of that.

on the other hand, i'm outlasted really, i have a lot of work do to, lot's of models have to be revisited still and the new alpha has gave me additional work in this direction, even if i like the creating of custom systems very much.

fortunately "alpha28dev" runs fine on the MAC, and i can start to update the things i started last month.

erm, if interested, i've added "Ceres" to the solar system, one suggested it as i noticed.

it belongs between earth and mars (i know you know this, but for other readers).

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local ceres = CustomSystemBody:new('Ceres', 'PLANET_ASTEROID')
:seed(86)
:radius(f(76,1000))
:mass(f(15,100000))
:temp(167)
:semi_major_axis(f(2767,1000))
:eccentricity(f(796,10000))
:inclination(math.deg2rad(10.59))
:rotation_period(f(386,1000))
:axial_tilt(fixed.deg2rad(f(4,1)))
:metallicity(f(9,10))
:volcanicity(f(0,1))

i expect metallicity wont be like real (i'm not sure, on the other hand many asteroids from the belt are nickel/ferro) but it has lead to the proper color mix together with the seed.

Ceres, as i stated once before is a nice memory of FE2 to me, it was the first low gravity object i landed on many years ago, "i was sweatin' blood". today i guess i would do it blindfolded. but it wasn't easy, because it has a gravity of close to 0 it's hard to match it's speed and to land, it's already strange that it's possible at all in FE2, because in this game all other planets (planetoid) with such a low gravity are "hollow", i mean you can't land, you just fly through, while the whole graphic starts to doing wild things and the shape flickers between flat, circular and oval.

it is on the other hand possible to land on the diabolo shaped asteroids, which also must have close to 0 gravity.

hmm, there was something on my mind, i've forgot, i've done some quilting right now with my mother and now i'm really distracted.

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ahh, yes, i owe you something...


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That quilt is looking nice, and I'll add Ceres to my next hometowns mod. <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//biggrin.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />


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Ceres is a dwarf planet; I'm not sure that PLANET_ASTEROID is the right sort of body for it. Technically, yes, it's an asteroid, but it's a third of all asteroids by mass!

For the record, I'm all in favour of adding all of the dwarf planets to Sol.


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hey thanks DUDE for the info, ah, yes must have read that a long time ago (a third of the mass of all) but i remember that somehow, or to say it right, a "right" flashed up in my mind.

brianetta, if there is any favor i can do for you...

best would be "spend me a beer", but i guess that won't work.

i was playing bad and i feel ashame, that's not good.

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it belongs between earth and mars (i know you know this, but for other readers).

Here it is, between Mars and Jupiter. Thanks! <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//biggrin.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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'Marcel' wrote:

Exciting indeed! Perhaps someday it will be a candidate for an interstellar probe, but for now it's a candidate for a custom system in Pioneer.

...and as an incentive for coders to finally enable that gravpoint body type for custom systems <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//offtopic.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />


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"hrmpf", what a unforgivable mistake, thanks marcel. <img src="' http://spacesimcentral.com/forum/public/style_emoticons//icon_redface.gi f"' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

i hope the rest of the data is accurate?

hmm, gravity seems to be inaccurate, ok i can't influence this directly, but there seems to be something not quite right.

i see also that i should use in future here the english version of wikipedia, at least i wouldnt have to calculate earthmasses for a body.

it could have leaded to this wrong gravity.

it should be for ceres depending on wikipedia 0.00015 earthmasses resulting gravital acceleration should be 0.028g.

relatively high due to the high density of ~2, which otherwise shows that i wasn't wrong with the high metallicity which was to except.

i will check this immediatly.

something is wrong, either mass or the radius, else the result would be more accurate.

while, hmm let's take ceres as a sort of reference, i always was... we will see.

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no, no, autumnlover this won't be really off topic. (measured by what i type in here sometimes, it's anything else as off topic)

but fortunately we don't take this to serious, something comes into your mind and you wrote that down, that's all.

does something really off topic exist at all?

at least it's something close to the thematic of the thread, that's not off topic.


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