I think its quite a good idea and seems logical, a lot of the big ships in pioneer seem to big to take off with those small belly thrusters, and would add some nice diversity to pioneer. I think n. 3 would be the best. But since I have no experience in modelling or coding, I don't really have a say in it. Cool idea though 🙂

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Making tail-sitters an option would be the best route. You'd need some way to specify it, then you'd need a model to work with - perhaps just modufy the molamola, the autopilot would need to be modified to cope with it as well as the docking code.

There'd obviously be some changes to the model loading / handling code.

 

Nice idea, I doubt anyone would oppose it, but everyone is also very busy doing a lot of other stuff so... can you code?

Somes olds ships from the pioneer before A31 have now a landing tail system in Genesia :

 

 

 

 

I don't know if its been easy to convert to SGM system but here is the solution  i've found :

 

i put that here if that can help 

(  its  in in lua ,of course , because Genesia is under LMR)

 

 

I've simply apply a 90°  rotation along the vertcal axis when the landing gear was "on"

Neat visual trick but it doesn't change the thrust direction to point the main engines downwards, it only rotates the 3d model that it's drawing 🙂

 

Still a nice trick though 🙂

its not a trick , 

 

i think you have never try genesia , this ship take of in vertical position  with the main trusther main thruster and land also with main .

everybody who's play genesia can confirm that for alls rockets models ships in Genesia

 

Note when in lua i call a sub model in a define pos i call this one with all his caracters .

 

i put here the entire lua of this stardust  for info:

 

 

 

 

Not a matter for me afterall , the LmR ships can land or take off in any positions ^^.

 

I've just post that to help, but if you think it's a trick , ok .

No offense was meant Vuzz!

No offenses Andy ,

 

But answer my question please :  Did you have play Genesia one time ?  i think no. i'm right ? 

Not in a long time.

how about a flying saucer those things can land both ways up just flip it over, put landing struts on top and bottom and shes good to go

Would it be possible to implement Genesia's solution into Pioneer?

It should be accounted for by 3D cockpit, though.

 

Also, one more advantage to having tail-landers:

 

It'd allow for much bigger ships to be accommodated on standard landing pads, since they would have smaller footprint when standing vertically.

It could be done already in the way Genesia handles it. Only an animation that rotates the ship mesh when the gear is down. It doesn't move the trusters or camera tags though (neither does the latest build of Genesia though, I've checked. Camera stays the same, the mesh just pops to the other orinetation, and the thrusters exhaust disappears). I'd avoid doing anything like that though, it's better to make the autopilot and landing code know about it and handle it accordingly. 

I do want to make a couple of tail-sitters when that becomes available. (cargo tugs and such mostly). The Malabar/Vatakara and Mola-mola were supposed to be tail-sitter when they started out.

I think belly sitters have their place in the game too, since it looks more familiar to most people (airplane).

Its not a rotation of a mesh its a rotation of the entire model  , since i've changed my computed for a nice windowed 8  (fuck it) i lost my old camstudio , so i can't make a video , when ill have some time i make it , but the beter is simply  to try Genesia before talkin' about ...

Well, doing it the right way would be better as it would help ensuring rotation to be physically correct and would avoid messing around with 3D cockpits.