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funny is also to hear from the side of the coders, that cockpits and whatsoever extras get to compley for them to handle. and mr. nobody could it? (of course only with some scripting tool) it isn't to complex for me it seems, i can handle it, it seems, at least many of my ships have used all possibilities that was given to me.different models, different setups, different colors, cockpit and pilots with already the possibility to assign a faction to them (haven't had the toolö do do this right so it was randomly so far, but of course i thought about all that and worked already in this direction). but that is all to complex now?(nah, it's not to complex, it's only that there is one who like to do this himself and dictate the style of it, that's the real reason behindi never dictated, i would have no, really no problem to put a pilot in my ships someone else designed,as long as we have a peaceful competetive cooperation, but not "i dictate", but i guess he never had to learn this.again i don't use a name here, the recipient will know who is ment) but i know my models are assembled "coincidentially" as one said once. yeah of course, usually i take some dices and roll them to script a model... is that my problem if one opens one of my scripts and didn't get through? certainly not.why at all had someone to open one of my models if he's not interested to maintain them?or to personalize them.not that i have a problem with that, and yes certainly i'm no coder so there was/are leaks in the scripts.on the other hand, hmm.. i went through a quite good lua tutorial in german, well you can script "dirty" or "clean" yes, but the result counts.btw, a dirty script is often better to understand for a nube as a clean, i'm pretty sure.as a simple example, if i localize all a nube didn't sees through even when that is the proper clean way.when i use the variables in the expression, the nube understands immediatly what this variable does, but that's dirty scripted.same for helper functions, if a use a helper function for every tidbit, a nube has no cahnce to understand what is going on.if i script the expression, prob. 5 times the same, he will understand what it does without having to refere to the function. interesting fact, i didn't think tomm can't script clean, but i guess he used often the "dirty" way, because if one, modeller not codershould understand how that tard works, it has to be dirty, but understandable for a nube.that's why i also think we lost the trail with the miisions scripts, you need a lot experience now to understand how they work.tomms scripts, even a "idiot" like me could understand, you have seen what is what and what happens if.i guess his idea wasn't that only "pro's" could write lua scripts for models as well as for the rest of scripts. but has one only one who critized me showed something better? (except for tomm, because certainly his scripts was my tutor, further "who critized me" i know that i had a lot of helpful hands otherwise, but they haven't critized me reasonless)no!nah, the LMR had to be removed and elite content banned...to me that is a bit like "i can't handle it, there is one who can, i like to be leader, what can i do? let's bann competitors, then i'm "king".that's very typical for a "special class" of people, which never had to stand any competition.since the days of kindergarten i have a big problem with such people,i can say i really can't smell them, alone their presence makes me angry. robn you said you don't like personal atacks, how many times i have been affronted with such only discrediting utterings? that's like i would say robn is a uneducated fool!might be we "wir haben das heu nicht auf der selben bühne", we havent the same point of view, but i would never go that far. but with gernot you can do this (not you robn, but you know that i have been affronted in this way) what would you think? or how would you act to accusations like this, certainly you will get angry.

Hi, Just to add some positivity: I think this is great progress! I'm a huge fan of Frontier, and when I first tried Pioneer ages ago, I kept grumbling to myself that it deviated from Frontier in various ways. But over time I came to understand that it's a unique game, it deserves its own personality and features, and it can expand beyond the "original" if it has more freedom. Today, I love Pioneer and can't wait to see how it develops -- especially without any worries that the project might get bogged down in IP/copyright issues.As for core teams, I really have no idea about the politics of all this, but it strikes me that with game development, you often need a small, focused bunch of developers keeping the project on the right track. I've seen lots of FOSS games stray off into different directions and lose focus because nobody really had control or a clear vision.Anyway, keep up the good work Pioneer devs, and thanks for giving us the best of both worlds: all the stuff that made Frontier awesome, in a new universe to explore. What more can anyone ask for?  

well, folks (sorry if i had to interrupt again) when i say "lie", it's exactly this, "no it's no problem, your ships are far from the originals" a year later: "certainly your courier will be removed" that's called here a lie, i don't know how it's called in GB, but in switzerland this is a lie.

"a year later"

 it deserves its own personality and features, and it can expand beyond the "original" if it has more freedom. agreed

All right. To clarify my further declarations, I must say that while not a member of the Core team, I do help in maintaining and developing Pioneer. Which means I know what this task involves. The Pioneer project is NOT a democracy. We don't have the infrastructure to support this type of organisation, and I see noone volunteering to do the work. Instead, what we have is something along the lines of meritocracy. It means that the final decision comes to those who do the work. I'm not saying that we ('cause I'm the one deciding what I'm working on, core team or not) do not care about what the rest of the community says, and asks. Just, you cannot make us do anything we don't want to (including support). I don't remember who said on #pioneer that "there's no stronger argument than working code", but that's basically how we work. In the case of LMR, the people that decided to remove it were the ones that kept it alive in the first place, which wasn't an easy task and involved hours of work. Volunteer hours. You want LMR, you pick up the slack, we've done our part. In the Elite/Frontier content case, there are two things to consider. First, who felt the need to contact Frontier Development to clarify our status, that was very shady. I am not a regular reader of this forum but I think I would have heard of it if someone other than the core team had done that. Second, who is distributing the incriminated content — i.e., whose ass is on the line if legal actions are taken ? Once again, I've never heard of any other distribution site for Pioneer than the canonical one, which means that the person taking on the biggest risks is robn. Now, if you want this stuff back, you just have to make a mod for it, and distribute it on your own using your own resources, without asking anybody else to risk anything. "But LMR is gone!" In that case, you can either port the models to the new model system, which would be a good time investment in any case since you'd be able to make models for other games with this new knowledge. Or you can fork Pioneer off a31. "But if I fork I won't beneficiate from all the future goodies the current dev will publish" In French we have a say about wanting the butter and the butter money. Progress comes with a price, and here the price is LMR. Your only alternative here would be to merge back all the new shiny stuff. "But I can't code !!!" Neither could I a few years back. Pick up a book on C++, or find some online courses, whatever suits you. That's what I did. Cheers. (who stole my n ?)

"But LMR is gone!" in france we have also another say : don't sale the bear's skin before killing him . :spiteful:

My congratulations to Brianetta and other 'team' members for finding most effecive way to kill Pioneer.

OK, I'll rephrase : "But LMR is gone in the mainline"

My congratulations to Brianetta and other 'team' members for finding most effecive way to kill Pioneer.Time will tell.

My congratulations to Brianetta and other 'team' members for finding most effecive way to kill Pioneer.I recall someone said something about the right time to skin a bear…

the LMR is dead long live the LMR and around it goes, looking forward to future updates just to see where pioneer can actually go from here enjoying alpha 31 btw

Re: Lave and surrounding systems - is there an actual list I can refer to? Just wondering how many to remove from my own 'trader' app! Also, is there a way I can start at a given location? I'd like to carry on my travels from one release to another - and it would be handy to be able to 'cheat' to a given system, along with the cheat 'ctrl-M' to reset your ship etc. Just wondering ...

pioneer is under alpha phase , that mean it's in constant developpement so many thinks can change at each alpha release .

Bonjour Tourist - are you responding to me?

salut , ben ... yes^^

Ah okay - totally understand that we can't carry saves over while Pioneer is in alpha - I supposed that since the opening menu has starting positions, there might already exist some way to have your own starting position. If not, no problem.

generaly the savegames of an alpha are not compatible with the alpha of the next month.

in the end tourist, and i'm not quite sure whats got into me, i said that even before, if there are some freaks like usthat like to play around with the LMR, they would have to do it themselves. i know neither you and me have a big idea about programming but i guess we are not the only ones who will miss it.that does prob. mean that we stand still, but doesn't mean we couldn't further participate otherwise. i can also say i have a handful ideas which i never see realised without something like the lmr,no opened hatch, neither "space walks", other stuff. that means in other words, i won't stop anyway, i can't i would say, i'm simply not ready  ok that was a little a different thematic, but i guess i can say the same about the "elite content" and before we end up completely isolated --- i'm sorry that this "seperation", as far as it is one, hasn't happened under more peaceful conditionsfor which i'm not little responsible. but that was yesterday, else i can't go on.

no mater , potsmoke , it's an open source game and everybody's free to make wath he want with this source . Even if about some consider invested of a supreme authority , in the point to impose has others tools for spots which are not of their domain of competence. You , me , and many others Fans continue to like Pioneer . ( But each in his way)