Pioneer wants unavailable packages on latest LTS

[robn]

I assumed he meant shaders weren't working on Win32 under wine. If that's the case, then I don't care.If they're not working on the Linux build, that's more interesting.

[Marcel]

Hm, yeah, generic drivers. That'll probably solve the win32 Wine problem, but once I get Pioneer running under Ubuntu I won't care about it either. :biggrin:I've go to go to work now and won't have time to mess with it until tomorrow. I'll keep you posted about my progress, just because.

[Lancer]

Just got back on today to find all the work you've been doing to get Pioneer 64 bit / Ubuntu working. Thanks heaps. Have downloaded and it successfully runs Now I can have some downtime from my real-life workload and fly around in ultra spaceness... Awesome. :preved:

[Marcel]

Progress report; The 32 bit version works perfectly! I just downloaded and extracted it into my home/games folder and clicked on the pioneer file. Even an old Windows guy like me could handle it! :biggrin:When I did that with the 64 bit it got the message "cannot execute binary file". As I understand it, it means that version isn't compiled for my OS so I have to do it myself, right? I got the required libraries installed and the rest seems fairly simple.As for mods, Scout+ overrides my Home towns. I'm going to have to do something about that. :spiteful: edit; and yes, I have the 64 bit Ubuntu running on a dual core.

[robn]

Progress report; The 32 bit version works perfectly! I just downloaded and extracted it into my home/games folder and clicked on the pioneer file. Even an old Windows guy like me could handle it! :biggrin:Well that's good!When I did that with the 64 bit it got the message "cannot execute binary file". As I understand it, it means that version isn't compiled for my OS so I have to do it myself, right? I got the required libraries installed and the rest seems fairly simple. edit; and yes, I have the 64 bit Ubuntu running on a dual core.Not so good. It really does sound like you don't have the 64-bit Ubuntu, but we can check! Can you post the output from the command "uname -a". That will display the current system architecture.Also, the output from "ldd ./pioneer", run from the top Pioneer dir, could also be useful (though it will be long - some 70 lines).

[Marcel]

OKLinux marcel-122-CK-NF68 3.8.0-25-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 20:47:30 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux marcel@marcel-122-CK-NF68:~/games/pioneer-201306.21-linux64$ ldd pioneer not a dynamic executable I am, of course, clueless, but I discovered a bug in my updated Hometowns mod. :prankster:

[robn]

Linux marcel-122-CK-NF68 3.8.0-25-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 20:47:30 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/LinuxYou're running a 32-bit Linux. On 32-bit, the architecture fields are "i686". On 64-bit they're "x86_64".robn@pyro:~$ uname -aLinux pyro 3.8-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.8.5-1~experimental.1 x86_64 GNU/Linuxmarcel@marcel-122-CK-NF68:~/games/pioneer-201306.21-linux64$ ldd pioneer not a dynamic executableYep, your 32-bit Linux has no idea what to do with a 64-bit executable.

[Lancer]

OKLinux marcel-122-CK-NF68 3.8.0-25-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 20:47:30 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/LinuxAs stated Marcel, you are running 32 bit Ubuntu. It doesn't matter that your hardware may be 64 bit, if you install the 32 bit Ubuntu OS, then everything effectively becomes 32 bit.

[Marcel]

Thanks! I was certain that I downloaded the 64 bit version. How embarrassing. I must display a red-faced smiley now. :oops:I wonder if it's worth starting over, but if I can run Pioneer and QBasic I'm happy.

[Lancer]

I wonder if it's worth starting over, but if I can run Pioneer and QBasic I'm happy. That depends on whether you're working on heavy packages which might take advantage of the extra functions. For most purposes 32 bit is fine. I switched to 64 bit because I found that my favourite programs never made latest feature / experimental versions available on 32 bit anymore, and I really wanted to play with those new features. I also found the 32 bit started failing because the devs were actually compiling on 64 machines, just with output set as pretend 32 bit.

[Marcel]

So would Pioneer generate planets faster, and would I get a performance boost in Blender?

[Lancer]

IMO Blender is marginally better as 64 Bit. It can push things like sculpting and cycles further as well although some of that is of course GPU dependant.

[fluffyfreak]

I recall reading an article on Phoronix that benchmarked 32-bit vs 64-bit builds of Ubuntu and regularly found the 64-bit build to be faster. It makes sense since 32-bit mode doesn't have access to the AMD64 (aka x86_64 - lol@Intel) instruction set and can't assume there will be some of the later SSE instruction support. ...what I'm trying to say is that it might be worth upgrading, by reinstalling, to a 64-bit build if your CPU supports it :)Just make sure you backup your home directory, save any data you might have managed to squirrel away elsewhere so you don't lose anything.

[robn]

By default GCC will only use x87 floating-point on i386, while on x86_64 it will use SSE. Most people probably take the defaults.

[Marcel]

That 'AMD64 (aka x86_64 - lol@Intel)' thing confused me when I was looking at which Ubuntu to download. I assumed it wasn't for me and my Intel processor. :scratchhead: I just skimmed a couple of Wikipedia articles to get the general idea. Thanks for your feedback everyone.

[fluffyfreak]

Doh! Sorry Marcel

[Marcel]

Ok, sorry to bother you guys again, but I installed the 64 bit 13.04, downloaded the 64 bit Linux Pioneer and it doesn't run. The 32 bit version doesn't run either. The permissions are set to execute file as program and Ubuntu says it's x86_64. Here's the ldd thing.marcel@marcel-122-CK-NF68:~/games/pioneer-201306.21-linux64$ ldd ./pioneer linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fff53bab000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00007f4b81e76000) libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/nvidia-310/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f4b81b53000) libGLU.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLU.so.1 (0x00007f4b818d3000) libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 => not found libSDL-1.2.so.0 => not found libsigc-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsigc-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f4b816cd000) libvorbisfile.so.3 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvorbisfile.so.3 (0x00007f4b814c5000) libvorbis.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvorbis.so.0 (0x00007f4b81298000) libogg.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libogg.so.0 (0x00007f4b81090000) libpng12.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 (0x00007f4b80e6a000) libz.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x00007f4b80c53000) libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00007f4b8094f000) libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x00007f4b8064a000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00007f4b80434000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f4b8006b000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f4b7fe4e000) libnvidia-tls.so.310.44 => /usr/lib/nvidia-310/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.310.44 (0x00007f4b7fc4b000) libnvidia-glcore.so.310.44 => /usr/lib/nvidia-310/libnvidia-glcore.so.310.44 (0x00007f4b7d757000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 (0x00007f4b7d41d000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 (0x00007f4b7d20b000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f4b7d006000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f4b82129000) libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxcb.so.1 (0x00007f4b7cde8000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXau.so.6 (0x00007f4b7cbe3000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x00007f4b7c9dd000) So I need to install libSDL?

[robn]

 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 => not found libSDL-1.2.so.0 => not foundYou want to install packages libsdl1.2debian and libsdl-image1.2.

[Marcel]

That did it! The Eagle has landed (in Eugene). Thanks robn!