More earthlike planets and more life - a WIP

[Vuzz]

Responsible ? ^^ , take a look on "about Genesia" note , i'm alone and all helps on the source is welcome . Genesia is just a personal version of a simple player ^^ without pretentiousness, just my vision of Pioneer and your patch is in the line of this vision  But if your step by step guide is in english , it's not compatible with my level ( in C and in english ) . But maybe you can simply make a patch compatible with the actual Genesia source ? 

[Loki999]

But maybe you can simply make a patch compatible with the actual Genesia source ? Sure, is it available on GitHub?

[Loki999]

Something is not right here, with Pioneer.I use last Build pioneer-201307.77-win32 Pioneer.exe 10,5 MB and save a game like GTown.Next i Use Build unknown Pioneer.exe 2.96 MB and load the "GTown" file, and no crash!?Next Start a New game with Build Unknown Pioneer.exe 2.96 MB and save the game (Gtown2 File).Next Start a New Game With Build pioneer-201307.77-win32 10,5 MB and load the save file "GTown2" file and the game works just fine.So were is the diference in this 2 Exe files!?? is the Mass!? No idea, but I stated in the initial post that its not going to be save game compatible. If it works under certain situations then thats just good luck.

[Vuzz]

Sure, is it available on GitHub?Ok , i see , please forget .

[Loki999]

No no, then just upload the source of your version to somewhere like dropbox and ill grab it from there.

[Vuzz]

No no, then just upload the source of your version to somewhere like dropbox and ill grab it from there. The dropbox link is on my signature , [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/nbbwl94wc04b419/Genesia_Beta.7z[/url] Its the last mod of the old alpha 31 source ( the last compatible with LMR models), but somes improvements have been added by Shamar ( scopingon Gasgiants) and Walterar ( Generate "Pioneergen" user data directory ).With your mod it's been the 3rd evolution of departure alpha ^^ . But .... You must understand that : i'll test this "most Terraworlds" and after i decide if it's be good for Genesia ( on the paper it's seem a good evolution) . So don't be ungry after me if you work for nothing  but Genesia is in first my personal vision of Pionner ( howhever i think your patch have a good Chance to be a good evo of Genesia ^^)

[Vuzz]

Hem...I'm afraid i've don't understand what you want . you want the source before compiling ? 

[Loki999]

Yes, the uncompiled source... that's what you uploaded? 

[Vuzz]

none , as i try to explain you , i'm not a coder/compiler , i don't work on source , only work on lua / data . to have the last uncompiled source , i must ask to the last guy whose courtesy compile the Genesia engine for me : Walterar . I'll send a MP to him tomorrow ...

[Loki999]

Ah, right, I understand now.

[Vuzz]

i've try many often time to work on source, the difficult to me is the compiling phase , i'm under an Old windows vista and with my poor level in english , i don't really understand the process and alls errors messages of VC + :-/

[walterar]

I changed the HD and was in the previous one, but I'll look. Anyway, Genesia is "Pioneer Alpha 31" and the source is on GitHub

[Vuzz]

NO !!! Genesia is not Pioneer A31, shadmar has mod that to have scoopin atmo on Giant gas planet . if i gain an improve without the previous , its not matter ^^ Forget that Walter , it's not very important , i f prefer have atmo on gas giant thant more earthlike planets ...

[walterar]

Do not worry, I reconnect the old hard drive, and recover it. Let me see it this weekend.

[Vuzz]

Ok Walter , But take your time , Loki as send me an mp to tell that he heading off for holidays for 2 weeks

[Vuzz]

@ Loki 999 here is the link of the actual uncompiled source of Genesia : [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/9aywvd6yefo81ms/GenesiA2-Source.zip[/url] . ... now waiting about your mod to test that, and finaly decide if i implement on Gen.

[Vuzz]

@ Loki999 little up , but maybe you have some problem of link ... @ sapog662 maybe you can have some news of Loki ? 

[Potsmoke66]

erm i dont want to critize you work loki999, but it's interesting with the actual wide range of hyperspace i would like less planets with indegenous life.choices are different... but personally i feel they are far to many, not only to compare it to the real situation. (we have to take the possibility in account that we are sole in the galaxy, chances are the same as it would be full of life, in fact i see the chance as very very low, it needs a lot more as just the "green belt" to get life as we know, there is even a high chance that our globe would hold no life, it's higher as the fact that it's alive). it's because it generates more tension in gameplay as if "every second world" holds indegenous life.that's just what i feel. but it's offense, critical scientists are far less popular as the ones who promise spectacular things and astrophysics leaves unfortunately a lot of space for interpretation.i can't sell "we are sole in the galaxy" no newspaper will print this, but if i say "it's full of life" i get a big reputation, this i can sell to the media, and fill books with it. preferably a young type G star, else first to less heavy elements, second dangerous rays from most other types or to less energy, to less stable even.not to little and not to much gravity, life under 3G would be quiet flat.right position in the "green belt", preferably it must have a trabant, because without tides no organical life as we know.senseful daylength to short or to long won't work above a certain limit, or a day at all, without that even no life.a almost "orderly" weather, i guess that's still a riddle how it came to this exactly, chances are higher for a chaotical weather.water would vaporize before it reaches the ground and because of this a cloudy condition which results in a high greenhouse effect which drives again all in a venus like condition. that's what would be to expect on earth and not what we have.and that's only a few conditions, if you guess further you will find a thousend conditions more which must be fulfilled.imho "the earth" is a lucky throw (not to guess of creatures who could make themself a head about this) and anything else as common in the galaxy. but again that's not the point, it's a game and gameplay needs tension, it needs some hardness, except for the "unbeatable" AI (which to beat with a clever co-pilot i find totally lame, i hate "final fantasy" like "select the right button" type of games, or i could go along and play "dragons lair") and hardness we have far to less imo. in other terms:i like to play with a joystickand not by clicking on the right button and choosing the right special item to beat a enemy,or do we like to have "pokemon battles", me certainly not.exploring is nice but will get boring, there are things which keep the tension high: manual battles, i fire and not a routine, even if that needs "unrealistic" weak AI, because then i feel satisfied after a successful battle, if a "machine" does the job there is no satisfaction. manual maneuvering, it's a sort of challange, engaging a autopilot a 4year old can do as well.this would need mission setup wich is designed to fulfill some missions only if done manually and unfortunately a handicap for the autopilot to make it weaker as a human pilot can fly by intention. forfait for the persuer. and less less indegenous life, it makes you happy if you discover one, to discover hundred is boring and nothing which makes you happy, how cool it would be even if we could generate lifeforms, after planet 100 you will loose interest and it's nothing special anymore. winter solstice is a special day because it's only once a year. it needs a sort of "damned, now i have to start again"

[Vuzz]

Gernot,You are probably right as for the rarity of planets of ground type.In France we have a saying: " best is the enemi of the good" (I does not know if that be going to be correctly translated). I hold nevertheless has to test the WIP of Loki for Genesia , and at the need why not to adjust some variables? Or give up if that really turn like a "startrek like" game ...