Posted by: @blah64
Comparing Civilian Daily Life to a Military Operation should not be normal thinking
These are not 'normal' times though.
In other news...
A man in the United States has caught Covid twice, with the second infection becoming far more dangerous than the first...
Not entirely unexpected, but worrying nevertheless. Case study here.
Coronavirus... your thoughts?
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @cody
Not entirely unexpected, but worrying nevertheless. Case study here.
I have heard of people catching it twice, but yes I heard this morning that one person has actually died from the second infection. Would be nice to know more about the patients background...? And I am sure if you had a hard time with virus on the first infection and it lowered your ability to fight off infections that it could be worse if you got sick from anything again so soon after. I have heard people that had struggled for weeks/months with the virus have some long lasting damage to themselves. Luckily anyone that I have known only was sick for a few days if at all when they were diagnosed.
So I would agree with you Cody, I am actually surprised it took this long. I have read a few weeks back that this virus is mutating, if that's the case it could pose a problem in a few months...
Not entirely unexpected, but worrying nevertheless. Case study here.
I have heard of people catching it twice, but yes I heard this morning that one person has actually died from the second infection. Would be nice to know more about the patients background...? And I am sure if you had a hard time with virus on the first infection and it lowered your ability to fight off infections that it could be worse if you got sick from anything again so soon after. I have heard people that had struggled for weeks/months with the virus have some long lasting damage to themselves. Luckily anyone that I have known only was sick for a few days if at all when they were diagnosed.
So I would agree with you Cody, I am actually surprised it took this long. I have read a few weeks back that this virus is mutating, if that's the case it could pose a problem in a few months...
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Lockdown! Two weeks too late - again! Damn them! This could throw a spanner in the works - not only have I not got my eyes sorted out yet, but I had a relocation planned for the end of November!
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RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Sorry to hear that @cody 
But here the main reason for the new lockdown was to still be able to provide non-covid care. So hopefully you'll be able to follow your planned schedule?
But here the main reason for the new lockdown was to still be able to provide non-covid care. So hopefully you'll be able to follow your planned schedule?
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
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But here the main reason for the new lockdown was to still be able to provide non-covid care.
Aye, that's how it is here too. Thing is, non-urgent stuff gets pushed into the long grass.
Looks like the second wave is going to be worse than the first. Harsh winter ahead!
But here the main reason for the new lockdown was to still be able to provide non-covid care.
Aye, that's how it is here too. Thing is, non-urgent stuff gets pushed into the long grass.
Looks like the second wave is going to be worse than the first. Harsh winter ahead!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
I have seen a lot of news here in the USA that parts of Europe are starting to lockdown again I see a lot of people in France are rioting... I definitely understand the frustration everyone has.
I hope you can get to the doctors to finish up your treatments @Cody, will the doctor do any in-home visits for some extra money?
I see a lot of people in France are rioting... I definitely understand the frustration everyone has.I hope you can get to the doctors to finish up your treatments @Cody, will the doctor do any in-home visits for some extra money?
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @sscadmin
I have seen a lot of news here in the USA that parts of Europe are starting to lockdown again
Aye - and overnight curfews in major European capitals.
Economically and socially destructive lockdowns are the only practical option until a covid vaccine and better drugs are available.
Thus spake Professor Chris Whitty, England's Chief Medical Officer.
Meanwhile, in the land of E pluribus unum, it's crunch time!
I have seen a lot of news here in the USA that parts of Europe are starting to lockdown again
Aye - and overnight curfews in major European capitals.
Economically and socially destructive lockdowns are the only practical option until a covid vaccine and better drugs are available.
Thus spake Professor Chris Whitty, England's Chief Medical Officer.
Meanwhile, in the land of E pluribus unum, it's crunch time!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Saw this post online getting a lot of views.... thought I would share
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RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Can't say I agree with more lockdowns, I think the effect on the transmission of the virus will be negligible and come with a massive economic cost to boot. At this point it seems that nature will take its course regardless what governments attempt.
Stay safe all of you, and when the vaccine comes out... don't rush to get it. Let at least a month pass before deciding, it looks like anything they come up with will be fast-tracked, and that means corners will be cut.
Stay safe all of you, and when the vaccine comes out... don't rush to get it. Let at least a month pass before deciding, it looks like anything they come up with will be fast-tracked, and that means corners will be cut.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @gaius-konstantine
Can't say I agree with more lockdowns, I think the effect on the transmission of the virus will be negligible and come with a massive economic cost to boot. At this point it seems that nature will take its course regardless what governments attempt.
<nods> Aye - and a vaccine is in the pipeline.
Can't say I agree with more lockdowns, I think the effect on the transmission of the virus will be negligible and come with a massive economic cost to boot. At this point it seems that nature will take its course regardless what governments attempt.
<nods> Aye - and a vaccine is in the pipeline.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Oh they took down that video... not sure how many people saw it... but it was a UK Nurse I think ratting out the hospital system for lying to the populous. Guess she was hurting the higher ups plan and they shut her down as fake news haha
I would be wary, there is no way I am taking a vaccine they whipped together in a few months haha, I don't even get flu shots so I would only entertain taking this if I was dying and it could save me. Outside of that I will just continue to eat well and exercise and take my chances
I am thinking I may be forced to take it maybe if I want to travel internationally, I hope not. I hope I can just take a test before I leave and that will be good enough.
I would be wary, there is no way I am taking a vaccine they whipped together in a few months haha, I don't even get flu shots so I would only entertain taking this if I was dying and it could save me. Outside of that I will just continue to eat well and exercise and take my chances
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RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @sscadmin
I would only entertain taking this if I was dying and it could save me
I'm afraid that would be too late D1: a vaccine is preventive not curative. Also its overall goal is to achieve herd immunity at the minimum cost of lives and in the shortest time to limit the damage to the economy (that can't run properly with a global pandemic). So that is also a community effort and IMHO a matter of duty as a citizen when all have to contribute to the common good. You've been in the military you know what I mean first hand.
Just my two cents sorry
I would only entertain taking this if I was dying and it could save me
I'm afraid that would be too late D1: a vaccine is preventive not curative. Also its overall goal is to achieve herd immunity at the minimum cost of lives and in the shortest time to limit the damage to the economy (that can't run properly with a global pandemic). So that is also a community effort and IMHO a matter of duty as a citizen when all have to contribute to the common good. You've been in the military you know what I mean first hand.
Just my two cents sorry
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Ooops yeah messed up there, yes vaccine is to prevent getting sick in the first place.
Oh I agree totally about achieving herd immunity, its how we are going about it that I think is the weak link.
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I say this is because every year they create a 'new' flu shot of the strains they predict will be causing the most sickness. Will people still get sick from the flu yeah, because maybe the flu shot doesn't have that particular strain. Flu shots are preventative since they give us a small dose of the virus and usually our bodies create antibodies against it, there is no cure to the flu and some people even get sick from getting the flu shot.
I have heard of the covid-19 virus mutating and it having several different strains now, so what are we going to need to do get covid shots every year? That isn't heard immunity. Heard immunity is from people getting the virus, sometimes the fight it off without symptoms, others get sick and recover and some people die from it. Eventually the virus will die off because it will run out of suitable hosts. Once the majority of peoples immune systems adapt the virus is then defeated.
IF the governments of the world can guarantee that this one vaccine is the only one we will need to take to be safe and eliminate the virus and go back to normal then I could see taking it (like polio). But locking down is the worst plan and actually prevents heard immunity from happening, especially since 99%+ of people recover from the virus. And we all know they are still probably a few months away from attaining a safe vaccine, are you supposed to keep the world locked down until its ready?
I already know that this situation doesn't have a good ending there is pain in all of the solutions for everyone, regardless people are gonna suffer. Its trying to limit the suffering that is important. I have seen lots of people die, and maybe it has desensitized me a little but do remember you cannot save everyone in this situation all you can do is limit the pain it causes. Simple example is a triage hospital in battle, everyone there is hurt or dying. Do they want to save everyone, yes of course they do. But they also know they can't save them all, so they rank the soldiers conditions and the soldiers most likely to live will get the fastest treatment.... its shitty concept. But wasting life saving resources on someone that more than likely will die could cause someone that could have lived to die as well. The triage centers do their best, to keep everyone stable so the helicopters can bring troops to real hospitals but in the end someone has to make a life and death decision for the best of the mission.... and in this case the people.
Morbid I know, but its all true.
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Oh I agree totally about achieving herd immunity, its how we are going about it that I think is the weak link.
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"]I say this is because every year they create a 'new' flu shot of the strains they predict will be causing the most sickness. Will people still get sick from the flu yeah, because maybe the flu shot doesn't have that particular strain. Flu shots are preventative since they give us a small dose of the virus and usually our bodies create antibodies against it, there is no cure to the flu and some people even get sick from getting the flu shot.
I have heard of the covid-19 virus mutating and it having several different strains now, so what are we going to need to do get covid shots every year? That isn't heard immunity. Heard immunity is from people getting the virus, sometimes the fight it off without symptoms, others get sick and recover and some people die from it. Eventually the virus will die off because it will run out of suitable hosts. Once the majority of peoples immune systems adapt the virus is then defeated.
IF the governments of the world can guarantee that this one vaccine is the only one we will need to take to be safe and eliminate the virus and go back to normal then I could see taking it (like polio). But locking down is the worst plan and actually prevents heard immunity from happening, especially since 99%+ of people recover from the virus. And we all know they are still probably a few months away from attaining a safe vaccine, are you supposed to keep the world locked down until its ready?
I already know that this situation doesn't have a good ending there is pain in all of the solutions for everyone, regardless people are gonna suffer. Its trying to limit the suffering that is important. I have seen lots of people die, and maybe it has desensitized me a little but do remember you cannot save everyone in this situation all you can do is limit the pain it causes. Simple example is a triage hospital in battle, everyone there is hurt or dying. Do they want to save everyone, yes of course they do. But they also know they can't save them all, so they rank the soldiers conditions and the soldiers most likely to live will get the fastest treatment.... its shitty concept. But wasting life saving resources on someone that more than likely will die could cause someone that could have lived to die as well. The triage centers do their best, to keep everyone stable so the helicopters can bring troops to real hospitals but in the end someone has to make a life and death decision for the best of the mission.... and in this case the people.
Morbid I know, but its all true.
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RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @sscadmin
On another note, hmmm Covid-19 may start going up this winter.... what is the populous of the world supposed to do? We cannot stay locked up, I dont want to come over as heartless (its that military thinking in me) but in the Army we do risk assessment in almost everything we do that can involve casualties or equipment destruction.... now if we have a 1-5% casualty/equipment loss rate as a possibility that is a damn good risk for any sort of operation. So if this virus has been proven to only have a 1-5% possibility to cause death then why are we acting like it has a 50% possible death rate?
The way our govts are dealing with this virus is causing mass hunger, poverty and unemployment. We cannot keep going down this road or this affect will be worse than the virus itself. I look at it this way, we are all grown adults. We make daily risk assessments of our own lives everyday, let us decide whether we go outside or to the store or be in populated environments. I am not a huge conspiracy person, but to me this is a big power and money grab for elites in our govts... the normal people are struggling.
You're not heartless, just being pragmatic. I remember the question about 13 people in a life boat that could only carry 12, what do you do? Do you risk all 13 by thinking with your heart, or do you sacrifice one to guarantee that 12 live?
Something is certainly not right here, why are governments so afraid of this and are risking assured economic destruction over what is after all a very low mortality rate, (with the mass of those that have died, already past the average life expectancy)? I don't know, but this sucks and makes me miss the 70s and 80s even so much more.
On another note, hmmm Covid-19 may start going up this winter.... what is the populous of the world supposed to do? We cannot stay locked up, I dont want to come over as heartless (its that military thinking in me) but in the Army we do risk assessment in almost everything we do that can involve casualties or equipment destruction.... now if we have a 1-5% casualty/equipment loss rate as a possibility that is a damn good risk for any sort of operation. So if this virus has been proven to only have a 1-5% possibility to cause death then why are we acting like it has a 50% possible death rate?
The way our govts are dealing with this virus is causing mass hunger, poverty and unemployment. We cannot keep going down this road or this affect will be worse than the virus itself. I look at it this way, we are all grown adults. We make daily risk assessments of our own lives everyday, let us decide whether we go outside or to the store or be in populated environments. I am not a huge conspiracy person, but to me this is a big power and money grab for elites in our govts... the normal people are struggling.
You're not heartless, just being pragmatic. I remember the question about 13 people in a life boat that could only carry 12, what do you do? Do you risk all 13 by thinking with your heart, or do you sacrifice one to guarantee that 12 live?
Something is certainly not right here, why are governments so afraid of this and are risking assured economic destruction over what is after all a very low mortality rate, (with the mass of those that have died, already past the average life expectancy)? I don't know, but this sucks and makes me miss the 70s and 80s even so much more.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Here in England, the second lockdown nears its end - to be replaced by tiers (and tears, probably). I wonder which vaccine I'll be offered? Will I even be told which one I'm getting? Big Pharma are gearing-up - there's big money to be made!
In other news...
Pre-flight checklist:
Port optical array nominal - check
Starboard optical array nominal - check
Stereoscopic vision - check
Depth perception - check
Power-up, all ship systems nominal - check
Control, Spindrifter requesting launch clearance!
Copy, Spindrifter - you are go for launch!
Tally-ho! Commander Madcap Cody rides again!
In other news...
Pre-flight checklist:
Port optical array nominal - check
Starboard optical array nominal - check
Stereoscopic vision - check
Depth perception - check
Power-up, all ship systems nominal - check
Control, Spindrifter requesting launch clearance!
Copy, Spindrifter - you are go for launch!
Tally-ho! Commander Madcap Cody rides again!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
So does this mean your vision is doing a lot better now @Cody and all the procedures worked?
Yeah they are still kicking around the whole lockdown thing here in the USA but I doubt highly we will obey that .... we have rights, and to be frank they can't force us to lockdown. We did it pretty willingly the first time, but a second time I doubt will go over well with the populous. Because people are starving and without money here.... did you see some of the photos at foodbanks here getting pretty bad
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8953859/Thousands-line-outside-drive-Texas-food-bank-600-000-pounds-food-given-away.html[/url]
For a virus that has a 95-99% recovery rate we are destroying our economies and the livelihood of millions. They had plenty of live polls where youtubers talking to everyday people and people want to open up and go to work, they are willing to risk sickness then live like they are now. Its getting to the point here in the USA where people just do not care about the virus they want their lives and jobs back.
I have been lucky for the most part I can work from home and go into work 1-2x a week (just to get out of the house) and have always done all shopping online except for groceries so I have little exposure to all of this so far, the covid-19 stuff has had very little impact on my daily life. Only impact that I have had is that I couldn't travel to see my wife and my visa paperwork is taking forever for her. But all these shutdowns and work stoppages could have a impact on my employment if it continues too much longer. Finding a job if your unemployed and older is getting pretty tough in this environment so here is hoping the economies of the world start to improve.
Yeah they are still kicking around the whole lockdown thing here in the USA but I doubt highly we will obey that .... we have rights, and to be frank they can't force us to lockdown. We did it pretty willingly the first time, but a second time I doubt will go over well with the populous. Because people are starving and without money here.... did you see some of the photos at foodbanks here getting pretty bad
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8953859/Thousands-line-outside-drive-Texas-food-bank-600-000-pounds-food-given-away.html[/url]
For a virus that has a 95-99% recovery rate we are destroying our economies and the livelihood of millions. They had plenty of live polls where youtubers talking to everyday people and people want to open up and go to work, they are willing to risk sickness then live like they are now. Its getting to the point here in the USA where people just do not care about the virus they want their lives and jobs back.
I have been lucky for the most part I can work from home and go into work 1-2x a week (just to get out of the house) and have always done all shopping online except for groceries so I have little exposure to all of this so far, the covid-19 stuff has had very little impact on my daily life. Only impact that I have had is that I couldn't travel to see my wife and my visa paperwork is taking forever for her. But all these shutdowns and work stoppages could have a impact on my employment if it continues too much longer. Finding a job if your unemployed and older is getting pretty tough in this environment so here is hoping the economies of the world start to improve.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @sscadmin
So does this mean your vision is doing a lot better now
Aye, after three months, I finally have usable vision again. One problem fixed, but the second more complicated problem has been kicked into the long grass for the time being. Too much going on at present, including a relocation (I hope).
Here in Pajero County, we've gone straight from lockdown into tier-2 restrictions. [insert profanity of choice]
So does this mean your vision is doing a lot better now
Aye, after three months, I finally have usable vision again. One problem fixed, but the second more complicated problem has been kicked into the long grass for the time being. Too much going on at present, including a relocation (I hope).
Here in Pajero County, we've gone straight from lockdown into tier-2 restrictions. [insert profanity of choice]
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
A new strain of the virus has been detected in my area (and others), and in my town, the cases per 100k population have doubled in the last week. As of this Wednesday, my county moves into tier-3 restrictions. Merry Winterfest, everyone!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
I saw this article on drudgereport this evening, this what you are talking about @Cody
[url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13474181/new-coronavirus-strain-spreading-hancock/[/url]
They are touting the vaccine but usually vaccines cover certain strains of a virus, so I doubt this will be affective against new strains unless that vaccine is a mashup of a bunch of things and not focused on covid specifically.... Its gonna be a while before I consider getting a vaccine personally. They are talking about lockdowns here too, but I doubt the public will go for that. Especially now that govt assistance is ending this month, and without that people will not be getting any money from unemployment benefits and hold on rent payments for landlords. I know if the rent shit isn't handled soon in the USA there is going to be millions homeless because there is landlords that want their money and I cannot blame them, they have bills too.
[url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13474181/new-coronavirus-strain-spreading-hancock/[/url]
They are touting the vaccine but usually vaccines cover certain strains of a virus, so I doubt this will be affective against new strains unless that vaccine is a mashup of a bunch of things and not focused on covid specifically.... Its gonna be a while before I consider getting a vaccine personally. They are talking about lockdowns here too, but I doubt the public will go for that. Especially now that govt assistance is ending this month, and without that people will not be getting any money from unemployment benefits and hold on rent payments for landlords. I know if the rent shit isn't handled soon in the USA there is going to be millions homeless because there is landlords that want their money and I cannot blame them, they have bills too.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
This is from the Covid-19 section of the BBC website:
Mutations to the spike protein lead to questions about the vaccine because the three leading jabs - Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford - all train the immune system to attack the spike. However, the body learns to attack multiple parts of the spike. That is why health officials remain convinced the vaccine will work against this variant.
This is a virus that evolved in animals and made the jump to infecting people around a year ago. Since then it has been picking up around two mutations a month - take a sample today and compare it to the first ones from Wuhan in China and there would be around 25 mutations separating them. Coronavirus is still trying out different combinations of mutations to properly nail infecting humans.
Mutations to the spike protein lead to questions about the vaccine because the three leading jabs - Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford - all train the immune system to attack the spike. However, the body learns to attack multiple parts of the spike. That is why health officials remain convinced the vaccine will work against this variant.
This is a virus that evolved in animals and made the jump to infecting people around a year ago. Since then it has been picking up around two mutations a month - take a sample today and compare it to the first ones from Wuhan in China and there would be around 25 mutations separating them. Coronavirus is still trying out different combinations of mutations to properly nail infecting humans.