Coronavirus... your thoughts?
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Having now had both my jabs, and with lockdown being lifted tomorrow (in England), I was looking forward to going out and getting drunk. Unfortunately, my favourite watering hole (going back decades) has had to close permanently. Damn!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @cody
The idea of a Covid-19 'passport' is attractive, and I think any form of travel will require one, now and for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure I'd want it as an app though - too easily tracked for my liking. Some sort of certificate, or an actual stamp in my passport (like a visa), would be my preference. We shall see how the UK government goes about it.
I am still up in the air on this, I think personal choice always matters regardless of the situation. Because if we allow our govts to mandate things too us it will only get more restrictive slowly for the citizens, people are not stupid if covid-19 was super deadly everyone would gladly take this vaccine. I guess my views are a bit different than most because I have been in the military and I have been to numerous countries and I have seen a lot over the years and I hate seeing freedoms suppressed regardless of the context. Posted by: @cody
Unfortunately, my favourite watering hole (going back decades) has had to close permanently. Damn!
That has happened a lot here, there has already been over 10k business closures so far in the USA. Its going to be a different world when we do get some normalcy again. So many people will decide against opening up a businesses because if the govts can just make people stay home or make it hard to shop or visit them then these good people will just loose their life savings. Because you are right now people in general are more cautious when they leave the safety of their homes so that alone will limit peoples movements.
The idea of a Covid-19 'passport' is attractive, and I think any form of travel will require one, now and for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure I'd want it as an app though - too easily tracked for my liking. Some sort of certificate, or an actual stamp in my passport (like a visa), would be my preference. We shall see how the UK government goes about it.
I am still up in the air on this, I think personal choice always matters regardless of the situation. Because if we allow our govts to mandate things too us it will only get more restrictive slowly for the citizens, people are not stupid if covid-19 was super deadly everyone would gladly take this vaccine. I guess my views are a bit different than most because I have been in the military and I have been to numerous countries and I have seen a lot over the years and I hate seeing freedoms suppressed regardless of the context. Posted by: @cody
Unfortunately, my favourite watering hole (going back decades) has had to close permanently. Damn!
That has happened a lot here, there has already been over 10k business closures so far in the USA. Its going to be a different world when we do get some normalcy again. So many people will decide against opening up a businesses because if the govts can just make people stay home or make it hard to shop or visit them then these good people will just loose their life savings. Because you are right now people in general are more cautious when they leave the safety of their homes so that alone will limit peoples movements.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @sscadmin
I have been to numerous countries and I have seen a lot over the years and I hate seeing freedoms suppressed regardless of the context.
I too have been to numerous countries, and I don't mean as a tourist. I've spent time in Turkish Kurdistan, and seen how oppressed the Kurds are by the Turkish government. Erdogan is a dangerous man, who has NATO (and the EU) by the bollocks. The Kurds are a good people, and deserve their own homeland, but they always seem to end up being shafted, and not only by Turkey. Western powers have used them, when it suits their geopolitical purposes, and then abandoned them. I've travelled right across Iran, which is a beautiful country with a long and rich history, but authoritarian religion now holds sway there. Not so long ago, Iran had a secular democratic government. Now, dissent is not tolerated.
Damn, I've gone into rant mode, which I try to avoid when online. Hope I've not offended anyone. I need a drink!
I have been to numerous countries and I have seen a lot over the years and I hate seeing freedoms suppressed regardless of the context.
I too have been to numerous countries, and I don't mean as a tourist. I've spent time in Turkish Kurdistan, and seen how oppressed the Kurds are by the Turkish government. Erdogan is a dangerous man, who has NATO (and the EU) by the bollocks. The Kurds are a good people, and deserve their own homeland, but they always seem to end up being shafted, and not only by Turkey. Western powers have used them, when it suits their geopolitical purposes, and then abandoned them. I've travelled right across Iran, which is a beautiful country with a long and rich history, but authoritarian religion now holds sway there. Not so long ago, Iran had a secular democratic government. Now, dissent is not tolerated.
Damn, I've gone into rant mode, which I try to avoid when online. Hope I've not offended anyone. I need a drink!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Here's a twist...
The Financial Times reports that China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has suggested mixing vaccines to bolster the efficacy of jabs. In addition to mixing vaccines, the number of doses and the interval between them might also be amended, Gao Fu, the head of the CDC, said. It is the first time a government body has acknowledged concerns over the effectiveness of domestic vaccinations, the paper reports.
The Financial Times reports that China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has suggested mixing vaccines to bolster the efficacy of jabs. In addition to mixing vaccines, the number of doses and the interval between them might also be amended, Gao Fu, the head of the CDC, said. It is the first time a government body has acknowledged concerns over the effectiveness of domestic vaccinations, the paper reports.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
@cody I saw that this morning on a headline, China's leaders are saying the vaccine isn't really effective. I listened too a video the other day on the China leadership they are not taking their own vaccine hahaha. I think its a mistake rushing this out to the masses and having multiple countries making different variants. The countries should get together and put the responsibility on 1-3 very respectable bio-chemical companies. We have all heard that covid-19 is now has different strains and they say this African strain is a badass and the vaccine has no effect.
This vaccine could be somewhat effective, but it could also give people a false sense of security. Like you mentioned your habits have changed and you are more cautious now. I know I am and I try to be more careful around specific situations. I know I would never let them stick multiple different types of vaccines into my body, the risk is not worth the reward for me. I want too see more studies and trials on these vaccine rollouts, I value my health greatly and I basically trust me
I seek out medical assistance only when necessary.
Stay safe all, Its times like these I love being on a space station
This vaccine could be somewhat effective, but it could also give people a false sense of security. Like you mentioned your habits have changed and you are more cautious now. I know I am and I try to be more careful around specific situations. I know I would never let them stick multiple different types of vaccines into my body, the risk is not worth the reward for me. I want too see more studies and trials on these vaccine rollouts, I value my health greatly and I basically trust me
I seek out medical assistance only when necessary. Stay safe all, Its times like these I love being on a space station
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @sscadmin
I know I would never let them stick multiple different types of vaccines into my body, the risk is not worth the reward for me.
I'm with you on that one!
I know I would never let them stick multiple different types of vaccines into my body, the risk is not worth the reward for me.
I'm with you on that one!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Now J&J are pausing their rollout in Europe (and perhaps the US too) due to those blood clot fears. The situation in Brazil is looking like a disaster zone, with younger people (under 40) now getting seriously ill or dying. That's a very worrying trend.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Didn't a few countries in south america take china's vaccine? haha their should be a huge disclaimer on that one.
Yeah I saw it on the news that usa has stopped distribution of the J&J vaccine.
But really this is expected the side effects, the vaccine is being tested really now with millions of people. This is why I wanted the data, now if only 10 people out of 1billion got a blood clot then its a non-issue statistically. The media spins all this crap when let the people decide just publish the facts and we can decide if we want to take the vaccine with its possible risks
Hey maybe they can make a commercial like some of those I have seen on TV where they list the possible side effects, would be fun to hear this list
Yeah I saw it on the news that usa has stopped distribution of the J&J vaccine.
But really this is expected the side effects, the vaccine is being tested really now with millions of people. This is why I wanted the data, now if only 10 people out of 1billion got a blood clot then its a non-issue statistically. The media spins all this crap when let the people decide just publish the facts and we can decide if we want to take the vaccine with its possible risks
Hey maybe they can make a commercial like some of those I have seen on TV where they list the possible side effects, would be fun to hear this list
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
It seems (so far) that the RNA-based vaccines (which need serious refrigeration) are looking the safer bet. Info-graphic here.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Now the US is revisiting the "Covid-19 came from the Chinese virology lab" scenario!
In other news...
More than half "and potentially as many as three-quarters" of new coronavirus cases in the UK are now of the variant first detected in India
In other news...
More than half "and potentially as many as three-quarters" of new coronavirus cases in the UK are now of the variant first detected in India
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
My opinion is that everyone who can should vaccinate. We have and know the statistc which says that it is better to be safe than sorry.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @jackwhite
My opinion is that everyone who can should vaccinate.
Absolutely! I had my booster jab last month (Pfizer–BioNTech again), so I'm triple-jabbed.
My opinion is that everyone who can should vaccinate.
Absolutely! I had my booster jab last month (Pfizer–BioNTech again), so I'm triple-jabbed.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @jackwhite
My opinion is that everyone who can should vaccinate. We have and know the statistc which says that it is better to be safe than sorry.
I guess I am okay with this to a point, if a person has the desire to vaccinate I would never stop them from doing so. But I also agree with people opting out of taking the vaccine. In the end we have a human right of choice and the individual in making that choice will suffer any consequences of that action.
Someone that has been vaccinated can still be a carrier of this virus and some can even get re-infected. Now with a 98-99% survival rate if you contract the virus I can definitely see why people they don't want to take it. They just choose to take their chances which they have that right too. And with some govts trying to ruin peoples livelihood over not having the shot also builds up the disdain for the govt/vaccine especially here in the USA.
In a way its not about the virus anymore here in the USA. We have human rights and our government is overstepping their authority and that is why so many will resist regardless. Because loosing your rights is not a option, because if you allow your govt to boss you around your freedoms will be taken away one piece at a time.
There is a reason why tens of thousands of hospital personal, police, fireman and military are retiring or leaving their jobs. We have rights and the govt isn't allowed to impede them period.
Maybe I feel differently about this issue because I was in the military and I have seen what a govt can do when the people have no rights or the will to resist govts that overstep their authority. The govts of the world created a vaccine, now give the people the option to take it or not.... make it free to everyone (which its not free in all countries) and focus on the economies of the world.
I always wish everyone the best and good health. I respect everyone's decisions they make for themselves, as long as you made them and were not manipulated into doing so
I guess I live my State motto "Live Free Or Die"
My opinion is that everyone who can should vaccinate. We have and know the statistc which says that it is better to be safe than sorry.
I guess I am okay with this to a point, if a person has the desire to vaccinate I would never stop them from doing so. But I also agree with people opting out of taking the vaccine. In the end we have a human right of choice and the individual in making that choice will suffer any consequences of that action.
Someone that has been vaccinated can still be a carrier of this virus and some can even get re-infected. Now with a 98-99% survival rate if you contract the virus I can definitely see why people they don't want to take it. They just choose to take their chances which they have that right too. And with some govts trying to ruin peoples livelihood over not having the shot also builds up the disdain for the govt/vaccine especially here in the USA.
In a way its not about the virus anymore here in the USA. We have human rights and our government is overstepping their authority and that is why so many will resist regardless. Because loosing your rights is not a option, because if you allow your govt to boss you around your freedoms will be taken away one piece at a time.
There is a reason why tens of thousands of hospital personal, police, fireman and military are retiring or leaving their jobs. We have rights and the govt isn't allowed to impede them period.
Maybe I feel differently about this issue because I was in the military and I have seen what a govt can do when the people have no rights or the will to resist govts that overstep their authority. The govts of the world created a vaccine, now give the people the option to take it or not.... make it free to everyone (which its not free in all countries) and focus on the economies of the world.
I always wish everyone the best and good health. I respect everyone's decisions they make for themselves, as long as you made them and were not manipulated into doing so
I guess I live my State motto "Live Free Or Die"
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Of course, everyone has his freedom, but to be vaccinated is to be saved. I am looking at Norway when 90% of people are vaccinated and they do not even need to wear a mask and they live their regular life right now. I am not even looking at the fact that they have low covid ratio is something to cosider. But yes, you can be free
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Things are getting nasty in parts of Europe: violent protests at new restrictions in Belgium, Holland, Italy, and Austria (which is soon to become the first country in Europe to make vaccination mandatory). Meanwhile, as the world goes to hell in a bucket, in England idiots are blocking roads demanding all homes be insulated. Ho-hum!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
See... when you allow govts to have too much power they do this to the populous.... its good that the people let their govts know this is unacceptable to have them do what they are doing. I bet a lot of countries wish they didn't outlaw guns now. Unarming the populous gives the govt almost overwhelming power over the people.
In my opinion this was never about a vaccine that does a half-ass job, this virus gave govts an opportunity to expand their power over the people and its working... but at least now some of the people are figuring it out which is why so many people are resisting the vaccine regardless of the consequences because its the only way they have to show the govt they don't like what they are doing to them.
Same stuff going on here in the USA, people are quitting their jobs we have huge transportation shortages (even school buses) people are resisting at all levels. Even in the Army 30% or more have refused the vaccine, the people are fighting back. Our president has under a 40% approval rating. All our fuel, food and utilities are going up like crazy.
Sometimes I think this 'Great Reset' that gets talked about sometimes is being put in motion right now.... If all the countries simultaneously go to shit it gives all the govts of the world a reason to reset things without any one country taking the blame. But then you have to wonder what would that new system be like ...?? hehe could it be even worse than it is now
Everyone stay safe out there, help your neighbor and keep your family safe. We all are going through some bad times in this world and I hope we all come out of this just fine.
In my opinion this was never about a vaccine that does a half-ass job, this virus gave govts an opportunity to expand their power over the people and its working... but at least now some of the people are figuring it out which is why so many people are resisting the vaccine regardless of the consequences because its the only way they have to show the govt they don't like what they are doing to them.
Same stuff going on here in the USA, people are quitting their jobs we have huge transportation shortages (even school buses) people are resisting at all levels. Even in the Army 30% or more have refused the vaccine, the people are fighting back. Our president has under a 40% approval rating. All our fuel, food and utilities are going up like crazy.
Sometimes I think this 'Great Reset' that gets talked about sometimes is being put in motion right now.... If all the countries simultaneously go to shit it gives all the govts of the world a reason to reset things without any one country taking the blame. But then you have to wonder what would that new system be like ...?? hehe could it be even worse than it is now
Everyone stay safe out there, help your neighbor and keep your family safe. We all are going through some bad times in this world and I hope we all come out of this just fine.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Damn it! I'd just re-booked my twice-cancelled vacation (for next year), and up pops the Omicron variant.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @cody
Damn it! I'd just re-booked my twice-cancelled vacation (for next year), and up pops the Omicron variant.
I definitely understand this, I haven't been able to see my wife since this stuff started and there is always something coming up extending lockdowns/bans on flights. At least the visa process for her is moving along well and we hope to see each other again in 2022.
I will be keeping my eye on Omicron to see how it advances and its threat level..... One thing you are seeing is more and more protests.
Damn it! I'd just re-booked my twice-cancelled vacation (for next year), and up pops the Omicron variant.
I definitely understand this, I haven't been able to see my wife since this stuff started and there is always something coming up extending lockdowns/bans on flights. At least the visa process for her is moving along well and we hope to see each other again in 2022.
I will be keeping my eye on Omicron to see how it advances and its threat level..... One thing you are seeing is more and more protests.
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Posted by: @sscadmin
One thing you are seeing is more and more protests.
Yep!
One thing you are seeing is more and more protests.
Yep!
RE: Coronavirus... your thoughts?
Greece is to make Covid vaccinations mandatory for people aged 60 and over. Fines of €100 (£85) will be imposed at monthly intervals from mid-January on those who refuse, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said.
This is not good!