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Here is a nice article that makes you think a little, it is from here: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc501.htm

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April 7, 2002

If alien craft truly exist, wouldn’t the American astronauts have seen and reported such?

Thus goes the usual argument by those who would never place faith in UFO sightings or metaphysical experiences. Such science acolytes see high-tech hardware and rocket jets as the only viable means of exploring space. They view our astronauts as men and women operating strictly within the confines of conventional science and engineering. They place unlimited faith in NASA’s ability to study the universe by spending taxpayer money solely on traditional technology.

So, where does this leave the astronauts? Has this nation’s spacefarers confronted the unknown in space?

The answer is a resounding “yes”. The problem is that the mass media usually fails to widely distribute any such experiences.

And, as a whole, U.S. astronauts appear to have maintained a united front --- stoutly denying than any valid UFO encounters have taken place. Following a news conference in March, 1996, devoted to artifacts in space, particularly the famous “face on Mars,” Apollo Astronaut Alan Bean told the media, “It’s not true. No one, certainly not me and Pete Conrad, who I was with the whole time, saw anything that suggested ancient civilizations.” NASA spokesman Brian Welch added, “Everything we found, we made public.”

Despite these assurances, many researchers remain unconvinced. Rumors have persisted for years that the astronauts --- nearly all military officers susceptible to being silenced under orders --- may have seen something more on the moon than rocks and dust. A According to transcripts of the technical debriefing following the Apollo 11 mission, astronauts Armstrong, Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin and Michael Collins told of an encounter with a large cylindrical UFO even before reaching the moon. Aldrin said, “The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was one day out or pretty close to the moon. It had a sizable dimension to it...” Aldrin said the Apollo crew at first thought the object was the Saturn 4 booster rocket (S-IVB) but added, “We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6,000 miles away.” Aldrin described the UFO as a cylinder while Armstrong said it was “...really two rings. Two connected rings.” Collins also said it appeared to be a hollow cylinder which was tumbling. He added, “It was a hollow cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book shape. It was really weird.”

Even more strange was the experience of Aldrin and Armstrong, after they reached the moon.

According to an Associated Press story of July 20, 1969 (my file copy is from the San Bernardino Sun-Telegram), the astronauts sighted eerie lights inside a crater near the point on the moon where their lunar lander was due to touch down the next day.

On their first sweep around the moon, Armstrong described a mysterious bright light on the inner wall of the crater Aristarchus, located north of their flight path. “It seems to have a slight amount of florescence to it. The area in the crater is quite bright,” he reported. “That area is definitely brighter than anything else I can see. There doesn’t appear to be any color involved in it…It looks like an eerie sight,” confirmed Aldrin.

Two astronauts who appear to have broken ranks are Dr. Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper. On a Oprah Winfrey Show on July 19, 1991, Mitchell hinted that all information regarding UFOs has not been released, saying, “I do believe that here is a lot more known about extraterrestrial investigation than is available to the public right now (and) has been for a long time....It’s a long, long story. It goes back to World War II when all of that happened, and is highly classified stuff.”

On “Dateline NBC” in 1996, Mitchell was even more candid. “I have no firsthand experience, but I have had the opportunity to meet with people from three countries who in the course of their official duties claim to have had personal firsthand encounter experiences...with extraterrestrials,” he said. Recently, Mitchell flatly stated that some advanced military craft use technology derived from alien spacecraft that have been collected by the U.S. Government.

Cooper, in a letter read during a 1978 meeting at the United Nations to discuss UFOs, stated, “...I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet form other planets, which are obviously a little more advanced than we are here on Earth.”

Also that year, Cooper wrote a letter to the ambassador of the Mission of Grenada to the United Nations supporting a UN initiative to study UFOs. In his letter, Cooper stated that astronauts “are very reluctant to even discuss UFOs due to the great numbers of people who have indiscriminately sold fake stories and forged documents abusing their names and reputations without hesitation. Those few astronauts who have continued to participate in the UFO field have had to do so very cautiously. There are several of us who do believe in UFOs and who have had occasion to see a UFO on the ground, or from an airplane.”

Cooper’s mention of a “UFO on the ground” apparently was a reference to his own experience at Edwards Air Force Base on May 2, 1957. In 1993, Cooper gave this account of the incident, “...I had a crew that was filming an installation of a precision landing system we were installing out on the dry lake bed, and they were there with stills and movies and filmed the whole installation and they came running in to tell me that this UFO, a little saucer, had come down right over them, put down three gear, and landed about 50 yards from them, and as they proceeded to go on over to get a closer shot of it, it lifted up, put the gear in, and disappeared in a rapid rate of speed. And so I had to follow my directions as a military...I had to look up the regulations on who I was to call to report this, which I did, and they ordered me to immediately have the film developed, put it in a pouch, and send them by the commanding general’s plane to Washington, which I did. And that was the last I’ve ever heard of the film.”

It is interesting to note that, despite the continued protests that there is no government secrecy regarding UFOs, there is no public report on this incident. Although the event was listed in the Project Blue Book index, a full report and clear photos are suspiciously absent.

Yet Cooper, who reported the UFO landing, was selected as a Mercury astronaut only two years later. In a 1996 interview, Cooper said he discounts any conventional explanation for his experience. Asked his thoughts on UFOs, the astronaut said, “Well, I figured it was somebody coming from some distant place to visit us.”

So, at least some of this nation’s astronauts have had unexplained experiences and voiced views radically different from conventional thinking.


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Darkone wrote:
Here is a nice article that makes you think a little, it is from here: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc501.htm

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they ... filmed the whole installation and they came running in to tell me that this UFO, a little saucer, had come down right over them, put down three gear, and landed about 50 yards from them, and as they proceeded to go on over to get a closer shot of it, it lifted up, put the gear in, and disappeared in a rapid rate of speed.

You were in the military, Darkone... you know that there are a lot of secrets, but also that sometimes a bunch of guys will pull a stunt just to get a laugh.

Can you picture a film crew coming to visit a classified installation? Wouldn't there be a temptation to pull one of those old prototype drones out of the closet and do a little fly-by just to get the film crew excited?

I think it would be hard to resist.

Sort of like the RC UFO, but mil-spec. 🙂


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I was never stationed on a base (that I know of) that had any secret operations going on. But if the base had anything going on that upped the security level the press wouldn't be allowed on unless they had an escort. A lot of the AF bases like Andrews, Wright-Patterson and Edwards have there no access areas.

Do I think that tale could be true? Doubtful are you trying to say that all of the soldiers, even though they were not soldiers anymore 20-40yrs later never whispered a word about this encounter? If I knew something like this and i was on the death bed I think I would tell someone unless my family could be harmed...?

Kinda like when 'William Mark Felt' came out and said he was Deep Throat. If any of the astronauts had seen a UFO you think at some point they might want to cash in or something. How could you just sit on that info unless you were threatened.


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Fake moon landings,and here the site with positive proof,after you have looked at this site you will be in no doubt that its a fake. 😆 😆 😆

http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm


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the press wouldn't be allowed on unless they had an escort.

Well, I don't think it was the "press". It sounded to me as though the film crew was military or, at least, NASA, and that they had clearance to be exactly where they were. So base personnel would not be breaking any security rules by doing "normal" things that the film crew was cleared to see, right?

That is exactly the kind of setup that would make it oh-so-tempting to pull a little gag.

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How could you just sit on that info unless you were threatened?

The astronauts did talk about what they saw. But there is soooo much FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) around UFO and Extra Terrestrial sightings that they would have to present some awfully persuasive evidence in order to get anybody to believe that they saw real aliens. It's one thing to tell your best friend what you saw, in confidence, but it is entirely another to smuggle classified documents or film off of a base and into the press' hands. The latter might be considered treason, and that is threatening.

My guess is that less than 1% of the stuff we hear is about real ET experiences. Most of it is gags or mistakes of some kind. A glow in a crater? Without atmosphere, things reflect a long way. A reflection off of one of the orbiter's surfaces could easy cause an odd-looking glow. Calcite fluoresces under UV light, so maybe a prism effect from a glass surface could do that. It is not as though they sent us a picture of a porch light on the Man in the Moon's house.

What about that other 1%? Are some experiences legitimate?

If it is possible for another race to visit us, the age and vastness of space make it probable. Would we see them or identify them? Maybe not. Or maybe we did, but we called them "Jesus" or "Anubis" or "Zeus" or "Nessie" or "Kraken".

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It is human nature to see things around us from our own point of view. It is very difficult for most of us to see other's points of view that are very much different than our own -- that's why we have arguments and wars. So we tend to assume that ET's would have to be able to exceed the speed of light in order to get here and that they would be interested (and capable) of talking to us when they arrive. I figure that the odds are at least as good that we would not see them or understand them.

And they wouldn't even have to break the speed of light. Lifespans on Earth are limited to a couple of hundred years (even for sea tortoises) by the way that our cells reproduce. One of this year's Nobel Prizes is about telomeres and how these parts of our chromosomes tear off at each cell division. Eventually we run out of telomeres and stop growing new cells to replace the old ones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere

Consider a race that does not have this telomere limitation (or has many more telomeres than Earthlings have). While Earth-bound life is abundant due to its built-in time limits, a race that lived for thousands of years might be very small. Like the Q Continuum. Or the Goa'uld. 🙂

So imagine a race a billion years older than ours that reproduces only once every thousand years... it might not be so odd for them to hop into a sub-light star ship and travel a couple of hundred light years. Like cosmic Polynesian explorers or something.

But there might be only a very few of them. And making an appearance once every couple of hundred years could seem normal to them.

Who knows? I sure don't!

But there are many possibilities.


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PINBACK wrote:
Fake moon landings,and here the site with positive proof,after you have looked at this site you will be in no doubt that its a fake. 😆 😆 😆

http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm

LOL! Yeah, that is persuasive evidence, Pinback!


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PINBACK wrote:
Fake moon landings,and here the site with positive proof,after you have looked at this site you will be in no doubt that its a fake. 😆 😆 😆

http://stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm

Well I don't know if the Moon landing were faked or not... I've read some about the Van Allen Belt and I can't see how the return module that was basically made of aluminum and steel could have protected those astronauts on the way back... dunno

What I really think is amazing are some of the crop circles appearing now. They are getting more elaborate and sophisticated. Hard to believe that they are all man-made.


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You might be surprised how amazingly good some people have become at doing those crop circles. There are lots of people who are essentially professionals and there isn't really anything they can't do.


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You might be surprised how amazingly good some people have become at doing those crop circles. There are lots of people who are essentially professionals and there isn't really anything they can't do.

eh.. I ain't buying it... for the simple reason that there isn't any money in it. Plus it would take way too many people to do those intricate designs in a single night without someone noticing and filming them.


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If alien craft truly exist, wouldn’t the American astronauts have seen and reported such?

Thus goes the usual argument by those who would never place faith in UFO sightings or metaphysical experiences....They place unlimited faith in NASA’s ability to study the universe by spending taxpayer money solely on traditional technology.

Well I don't know about you guys, but anytime somebody has to make people with an opposing view look/sound like a bunch of thumb-sucking 2nd graders, they lose a lot of credibility with me. If this author is half as confident as he sounds, he shouldn't need to resort to such infantile hyperbole.

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So, where does this leave the astronauts? Has this nation’s spacefarers confronted the unknown in space? The answer is a resounding “yes”. The problem is that the mass media usually fails to widely distribute any such experiences.

A "resounding" yes, or a possible yes? By his own account only a handful of astronauts have made reports of such sightings, and most of them appear to be based on something they heard, not seen with their own eyes. There's nothing resounding about this.

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And, as a whole, U.S. astronauts appear to have maintained a united front --- stoutly denying than any valid UFO encounters have taken place. Despite these assurances, many researchers remain unconvinced.

Rumors have persisted for years that the astronauts --- nearly all military officers susceptible to being silenced under orders --- may have seen something more on the moon than rocks and dust.

This I love. When the astronauts maintain they saw nothing, they're lying. When they say something that supports the author's views, they're telling the truth. 🙄

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On “Dateline NBC” in 1996, Mitchell was even more candid. “I have no firsthand experience, but I have had the opportunity to meet with people from three countries who in the course of their official duties claim to have had personal firsthand encounter experiences...with extraterrestrials,” he said. Recently, Mitchell flatly stated that some advanced military craft use technology derived from alien spacecraft that have been collected by the U.S. Government.

This is really rich. He's highlighting this guy Mitchell, who himself states above that he's never seen anything himself. He's only "heard" from people who say they've seen UFOs & aliens. What exactly is so compelling about this? I want to hear from the guy who actually saw something, I couldn't give a ratt's ass what he's heard.

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Cooper’s mention of a “UFO on the ground” apparently was a reference to his own experience at Edwards Air Force Base on May 2, 1957. In 1993, Cooper gave this account of the incident, “...I had a crew... and they came running in to tell me that this UFO, a little saucer, had come down right over them, put down three gear, and landed about 50 yards from them...And that was the last I’ve ever heard of the film.”

If you read the above closely (**paraphrased, the original post has this paragraph in its entirety), you'll notice that Cooper himself did not see this UFO. In fact, I can't gleam from what he said that he even watched the video tape which he sent to Washington. Nowhere does he mention having watched the film before sending it out. And yet he (and the author) describe this incident as though it were a surefire UFO landing. 😕

I should be clear, I'm quite certain astronauts have seen some unexplained sightings, I've heard accounts given by them. And astronauts (most of which are Doctors) carry a lot of weight with me, I don't expect they make up accounts very often if ever. So when an astronaut describes having seen a UFO himself, I'll take him at his word. Likewise, when an astronaut insists he's never seen anything, I'll take him at his word as well. I'm sure astronauts have seen many things out there, but this author really did a lousy job of making a compelling case. He came off sounding like a fanboy with an hour to kill on his typewriter.


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eh.. I ain't buying it... for the simple reason that there isn't any money in it. .

Well, there isn't money in modding either. Crop circles sure can attract a lot of attention though, which many people love more than money.


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I don't know about more intricate patterns, but an actual crop circle is easy.

Most farm tractors have a low-speed auto-pilot mode. It moves the tractor slowly ahead (in a straight line) while the driver gets off and walks ahead of or behind the tractor.

So put a stake or two in the ground in the center of where you want the circle, and tie a rope from the stake to the tractor. Put the tractor in "auto", and go play cards with your neighbors. When you come back, the tractor will have wound that rope around the stake many times, making the rope shorter on each lap, thus steering the tractor in a spiral motion. Voila! Easy crop circle!

Who knows what you could do by using multiple stakes in some creative pattern?


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I don't know about more intricate patterns, but an actual crop circle is easy.

Most farm tractors have a low-speed auto-pilot mode. It moves the tractor slowly ahead (in a straight line) while the driver gets off and walks ahead of or behind the tractor.

So put a stake or two in the ground in the center of where you want the circle, and tie a rope from the stake to the tractor. Put the tractor in "auto", and go play cards with your neighbors. When you come back, the tractor will have wound that rope around the stake many times, making the rope shorter on each lap, thus steering the tractor in a spiral motion. Voila! Easy crop circle!

Who knows what you could do by using multiple stakes in some creative pattern?

Yeah.. that doesn't explain how some researchers have found that in certain crop formations the molecular structure of the kernels have been altered, or how the stalks are woven together without causing damage to the plants.


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Yeah.. that doesn't explain how some researchers have found that in certain crop formations the molecular structure of the kernels have been altered, or how the stalks are woven together without causing damage to the plants.

Very interesting Shingen... did some reading and found this article.

http://www.anomalist.com/features/cropcircles.html

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Despite ridicule and a hostile press, researchers asserted that a great deal of questions remained to be answered. In many peoples' eyes, Doug And Dave's story was all too inadequate in accounting for some of the more curious anomalies evident in around 20% of crop circles. These, amongst others include:

* A bending at the node (elbow) on the stork of plants within a formation. Nobody has been able to explain how this is possible, as standing on corn, or oil seed rape, would invariably cause the stems to snap.

* Laboratory analysis has often shown affected plant matter to have undergone molecular change, the cell walls becoming swollen and expanded.

* The ground underneath crop circles often appears considerably dehydrated, the soil appearing broken and cracked, even after heavy rain.

* Radiation levels within a crop circle have been measured as being 10 times above average.


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Well, there is this video of Buzz recalling an incident on the Apollo 11 mission


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Here's a pretty kewl video about crop circles:


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Oh come on! That was a pretty interesting video but people really believe aliens are dropping down into our atmosphere, leaving pretty pictures for us, and then in a flash leaving...none of which has (conveniently) ever been caught on film??? I know, I know, the camera's short circuit for a few minutes, giving the aliens time to do their thing. 😆

But that guy's camera continued to function though...so I guess the aliens are selective about who's equipment they short circuit and whose they don't. Or...an even better explanation. The newest model spacecrafts are so advanced, they no longer emit these electronics-canceling energies. That is old school technology. Only the aliens flying their equivalent of Datsuns mess with our gear.

And my favorite is that message..."Beware the bearer of false gifts...still good out there...we oppose the deceivers"

THAT'S what they flew half way around the universe to tell us? Why not just mess with us and say "We are the federation, all your base are belong to us"??

Ah wait, they gave us a self portrait to go along with the message. I'm wondering if they had one of their finest alien models pose for that portrait, or is there a possibility some of their women are actually good looking?


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Oh come on! That was a pretty interesting video but people really believe aliens are dropping down into our atmosphere, leaving pretty pictures for us, and then in a flash leaving...none of which has (conveniently) ever been caught on film???

I think the point of the video is that some circle formations are too large for a few humans to complete in a single night without being seen or heard.

Where they come from or how they get there could be any number of reasons. Magnetic or plasma energies, maybe there are inter-dimensional forces instead of extra-terrestrial ones?

Certainly, some of them could not be created by human conventional means of a rope and board.

Beside, what we don't understand about the Universe is way more then what we do understand.


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Well the students from a university, with apparently no experience made a pretty good one. It's not a stretch for me to conclude that group of experienced guys could plan this stuff up and go to town. Maybe it would take them more than a day to do, but that never seems to be a problem, does it? More often than not they got all the time in the world to get it done. I'm guessing that's part of the criteria they use to determine which sites to go after next.


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Well there is this site: Circle Makers, but I still don't buy that every circle formation in man-made.... sorry.


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Maybe, maybe not. Til I see a better explanation...you would really think that even just ONE time the phenomenon was caught on film...if it wasn't man-made anyway.


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Well, on the one hand we have this 200 ft dia man-made crop circle made by 4 people in supposedly 4 1/2 hours... ( which is a simple circle and question mark and not a sophisticated geometric design)

and then we have this unknown crop formation, that is supposedly "more than 1,000 feet in diameter and covers a total area of 636,172 square feet " that supposedly appears over-night.

"While many have dismissed the circle as a hoax, one farmer is convinced it cannot be man-made. He said: 'It is hard to say that it could be a hoax because it is so big. You have only five hours of darkness to work in and there are so many circles you would have to be making one circle every 30 seconds.’''

Inquiring mind and all that...


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I must admit those big intricate crop circles are a sight to behold, and if I owned or lived on such a field and I went out there at 11pm, saw nothing, and woke up the next morning to find a crop circle I'd have to question whether they're man made or not. But we're just taking them at their word that it happened overnight. There never seems to be any sort of documentary evidence to back that up.


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